Hint Brushes

M&M · Post by **M&M** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 7:05 pm

thats y i asked the question (because it was a ratio thing) .0100 and i get say 10 fps,but when its 0-300 will i get any increase in the 10 ?(a +5 fps would be really good if it was possible

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and ziptie2k2 how old is the machine ur talkin about?is it a high pentium 1/2 that barely runs the game ,or is it a pentium 3 with a medium processor ,or a crappy p4?

ziptie2k2 · Post by **ziptie2k2** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 7:19 pm

The old machine is a P3-1 ghz with 512 mb sdram, radeon 7500 (64 mb) pci card and sound blaster live 5.1. It still works well, but in anticipation of future games to hit the market I had to go bigger!

M&M · Post by **M&M** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 7:38 pm

well the vga card is a little crappy but thats a very good pc,i have a p3 800mhz 128cache /256mbs sdram/built in sound/geforce 4 mx 440 64mbs,and it runs really great (it does freeze on more grafix games like gta :vc, but i doubt the problem is the pc ) .however the answer 4 ur question i still dont know as no one has replied on my question yet ....

M&M · Post by **M&M** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:40 pm

after a few diggin around in the vaults and archives of the .map forums i found a link 2 a very useful tut (i consider it so anyways)its actually 3 pages long with detailed pics and seems 2 be very nice (i just looked thru it 4 a few mins ),i also found 2 other links i the same post but they seem 2 have been broken or there hosts have died

anyways here is the link 2 the tut http://fps.brainerd.net/hintbrushes.htmi suppose the hosting site is really useful 2 from the name but i have yet 2 check it out
here is the link 2 the post i was talkin about,so maybe u could do a search on those other tuts viewtopic.php?t=1936&highlight=window+broken
wierd enough i was searching 4 broken windows not hint brushes

but i thought it should be used here
maybe we shoudl make a sticky post with all those important links that help alot in mapping and which are not in the links section,specially when u lose ur favorites folder and all its bookmarks 2 a reformat or a dreaded VIRUS

tltrude · Post by **tltrude** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:13 pm

You should'nt just automattically add hint brushes to ever crooked hallway! Hint brushes add extra vis to the compile. The vis compile can do some of the work without your help!

What you need to learn is how to do "showtris 2" to debug your vis. Then, if you see where vis needs help, add hint, or areaportal, or vis_leafgroup.

Post by **jv_map** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 11:09 am

Was reading a bit and came around this thread again, sorry for the bump but I just gotta correct something

crunch wrote:To be honest, as jv_map said, it is really for analytical purposes.

It won;t increase the true FPS that you are getting. Rather, it is more a ratio.

Instead of a scale of 0-100, you will acheive a scale of 0-300.

It just makes it easier to see the FPS difference in small increments.

What you see as 260 in that screen is really about 80 FPS.

Well it is not, it actually is 260 fps. However, most monitors currently available 'flicker' at a frequencies in the range from 80 to 160 Hz (probably your monitor has an 'info' button that shows it's current refresh rate) and hence your monitor can never display more than 80 to 160 frames per second. This is also the reason for the com_maxfps setting... the game simply caps the number of frames rendered per second to the number supplied with com_maxfps. As a result, your vid card won't have to work as hard as it can, which means less heat production and less power consumption

M&M · Post by **M&M** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 4:14 pm

hmmm!!!!let me get this straight ,if i increase the value of the com_maxfps
im putting more work on the video card which will do nothin 2 affect gameplay (or resolution) .so wouldnt that extra work and load on the vga's processor slow down the fps a little?in other words does com_maxfps have a negative effect on fps ?

Post by **jv_map** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 4:41 pm

No, remember you are letting your cpu and vid card do more work in order to achieve more frames per second. Moreover, a simple and quick look at your fps counter doesn't show a lower fps does it?

M&M · Post by **M&M** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:09 pm

i mean does it really increase /decrease it or it just disturbs the fps numbers causing them 2 be a bit uncalibrated if u know what i mean.causeing it 2 go like 200 when its actually just 90 ,something like that.or it actually increases it

Post by **jv_map** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:17 pm

Well it actually does render all those 200 frames each second and send them to the monitor... your monitor can however only show about 120 different 'pictures' per second....

Scronty · Post by **Scronty** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:47 am

Afternoon, M&M.

M&M wrote:hmmm!!!!let me get this straight ,if i increase the value of the com_maxfps
im putting more work on the video card which will do nothin 2 affect gameplay (or resolution) .so wouldnt that extra work and load on the vga's processor slow down the fps a little?in other words does com_maxfps have a negative effect on fps ?

All you're doing is allowing the video card to work as fast as it can.
When the graphics are locked into updating at screen-refresh-rate, then your graphics card is actually sitting idle quite a bit.

With regards to gameplay:
Most game engines have their graphics and user-input (keyboard/mouse/etc) in separate threads. Thus, fps do not affect control feedback.
Also: if you're only getting 45 fps, then it doesn't matter whether you set com_maxfps to 1000 or not - you'd still only get 45 fps.

Cheers,
Scronty

M&M · Post by **M&M** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:04 am

thats exactly what i wanted 2 hear

Post by **jv_map** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:58 am

Thanks Scronty

your explanation is way better than mine

Scronty · Post by **Scronty** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:42 am

Afternoon, jv_map.

Same explanation.
Different words.

Cheers,
Scronty