I don't believe this is true about video games YET.
**edited the length of this link not to anger jv_map /Bjarne**
I do believe that violent movies like natural born killers are
an evil influence on a weak mind.
I think that TV violence has had a big influence on our society but does anyone think that video games are?
playing violent video games can increase aggressive thoughts
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playing violent video games can increase aggressive thoughts
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nope, i dont think it contributes to violent thoughts. anyone who is moderately good at the games to actually get to the bad part has to be smart enough to realize its just a game. i think TV might however because if you are little you might see that stuff and think its okay, but once u hit the un-impressionable age (scientists say 5 i think) i doubt it has much effect.
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America is addicted to so much. TV, sugar, coffee some have drugs, etc.
and i've always thought that violent VG's are bad thing was a load of crap. it's movies (unimpressionable age thing) like kai0ty says, they see people doing stuff like that and say, "hey, it must be okay."
but really, it's also your upbringing. homeschooled/public schooled, divorced/married parents, drinking/smoking parents vs non, so many things go into a young mind at small ages.
i don't really watch TV or movies much. we rarely turn the tube on to watch somethning. i never do. only thing i use TV for is PS2.
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and i've always thought that violent VG's are bad thing was a load of crap. it's movies (unimpressionable age thing) like kai0ty says, they see people doing stuff like that and say, "hey, it must be okay."
but really, it's also your upbringing. homeschooled/public schooled, divorced/married parents, drinking/smoking parents vs non, so many things go into a young mind at small ages.
i don't really watch TV or movies much. we rarely turn the tube on to watch somethning. i never do. only thing i use TV for is PS2.
i love freedom of speech
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To believe or even accuse Video Games or Movies to be guilty of real violence in society seems to be nothing but a good excuse to avoid some other, bigger issues...
The guy who wrote the document on that link seems to love the calling to "do the maths"... Ok, do the maths taking this subject out of the US scale, and look at the most violent places around the world... Take, for example, Middle East and try to calculate how much of all the violence, hatred and animosity in that place is produced by the "evil influence" of movies or video games... Or take any prison in any place in the world and run statistics on how many inmates there have been playing "Max Payne 2" before killing someone...
And, yes, perhaps you can consider that movies or VGs can be a bad influence for some weaker minds... Still, you cannot condemd the entire society just for those weak minds...
The fascination with violent behaviour on the western world, in particular, runs deep and has been dragged along for centuries... Without going to back in time, just remember the 30th decade of the XX century in America, when alcohol was seen as the "cradle" of all evils... Prohibition never came, nevertheless, to be the solution... Instead, it was the origin of even more violence...
I think now, and only as a personal guess, that you could say alcohol was the trigger of specific ways of violence then, as you could say movies or VGs may act as triggers for violence today... But I cannot allow myself to think of movies or VGs as the cause of that violence...
Violence is just way too enquisted inside our societies, it has been for quite some time... To blame a video game for it sounds, in the lesser case, preposterous... We should start looking somewhere else... From this point, I agree completely with Kaioty and, specially, Lizardkid concerning factors like uprising, education and general social values...
(As allways, sorry for my lame english... I hope it results, at least, understandable...)
The guy who wrote the document on that link seems to love the calling to "do the maths"... Ok, do the maths taking this subject out of the US scale, and look at the most violent places around the world... Take, for example, Middle East and try to calculate how much of all the violence, hatred and animosity in that place is produced by the "evil influence" of movies or video games... Or take any prison in any place in the world and run statistics on how many inmates there have been playing "Max Payne 2" before killing someone...
And, yes, perhaps you can consider that movies or VGs can be a bad influence for some weaker minds... Still, you cannot condemd the entire society just for those weak minds...
The fascination with violent behaviour on the western world, in particular, runs deep and has been dragged along for centuries... Without going to back in time, just remember the 30th decade of the XX century in America, when alcohol was seen as the "cradle" of all evils... Prohibition never came, nevertheless, to be the solution... Instead, it was the origin of even more violence...
I think now, and only as a personal guess, that you could say alcohol was the trigger of specific ways of violence then, as you could say movies or VGs may act as triggers for violence today... But I cannot allow myself to think of movies or VGs as the cause of that violence...
Violence is just way too enquisted inside our societies, it has been for quite some time... To blame a video game for it sounds, in the lesser case, preposterous... We should start looking somewhere else... From this point, I agree completely with Kaioty and, specially, Lizardkid concerning factors like uprising, education and general social values...
(As allways, sorry for my lame english... I hope it results, at least, understandable...)
infact,i think that its the other way round,violence affects the games aggressivly.Take, for example, Middle East and try to calculate how much of all the violence, hatred and animosity in that place is produced by the "evil influence" of movies or video games... Or take any prison in any place in the world and run statistics on how many inmates there have been playing "Max Payne 2" before killing someone...
look at how much violent games have been made of WW2 , wars in iraq and the middle east.
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Well, as a parent of a 6 year old boy, I have to agree that violent video games are influencial on that mind (hence the weak aspect). A 6 year old has not been subject to enough real life instances to know right from wrong. Which is exactly why that is the PARENTS job, not the damn government, to filter what is seen and experienced. As far as tv, I believe that is worse than video games (for the same weak minds) simply because it uses real poeple to act out the scene rather than computer generated graphics. This is alot harder to explain away to a child because of the real people involved. That said, I have experienced many graphic games, movies and tv shows and can say that when I see a "real" tragic event on the news, it involks a TOTALY different response in my mind.
Alot has to do with the dicipline a parent is allowed to do (in America), because when I was young and I did something I wasnt supposed to, I got my ass whooped good for it. Words spoken in ANY tone cannot work as well as the threat of violence. But we are slowly being led away from the "on the ass whoopin's" that I got as child. I personally think this is a major reason we are getting hyper, and rebeleous children in our society.
I dont understand how the government can say something they are guilty of is bad for a parent to do. i.e. killing people because they dont agree with you, and making laws to stop us from buying and enjoying video games.
Well, I ranted enough, sorry for the long post
Alot has to do with the dicipline a parent is allowed to do (in America), because when I was young and I did something I wasnt supposed to, I got my ass whooped good for it. Words spoken in ANY tone cannot work as well as the threat of violence. But we are slowly being led away from the "on the ass whoopin's" that I got as child. I personally think this is a major reason we are getting hyper, and rebeleous children in our society.
I dont understand how the government can say something they are guilty of is bad for a parent to do. i.e. killing people because they dont agree with you, and making laws to stop us from buying and enjoying video games.
Well, I ranted enough, sorry for the long post
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ziptie, you've just spoken truly. who cares if that post was long.
im soooo glad that people at .map here know that it isn't the governments fault nor job to fix the violence in today's society.
if you want a worse case scenario think of what we just came through, the 80's. drugs were in pockets of every teenager worth his purple mohawk and violence via street gangs was so bad police forces were more like an american insider military. it was the darkest american time, pollution, our own people, and the overpopulation.
today we're just facing the lingering effects of this, some 'bad' groups made it through the 80's and 90's to land here. now i think the biggest problem we face are all the 'plastics', the generic people who are considered the height of cool. which in itself will turn us upside down if we let it continue. im not saying stop the 'cool' wave but come on people, get a grip on what your kids will turn into if you let them talk likelikelikelike you know, like like like, soooo like like this.
can you imagine what would happen if an airheaded president was one of your 'plastic' children today? i, lik like like can't.
well, i've had my say and so far i agree with everyone here.
oh, btw, i am 14 and am homeschooled (aka non-generic)
im soooo glad that people at .map here know that it isn't the governments fault nor job to fix the violence in today's society.
if you want a worse case scenario think of what we just came through, the 80's. drugs were in pockets of every teenager worth his purple mohawk and violence via street gangs was so bad police forces were more like an american insider military. it was the darkest american time, pollution, our own people, and the overpopulation.
today we're just facing the lingering effects of this, some 'bad' groups made it through the 80's and 90's to land here. now i think the biggest problem we face are all the 'plastics', the generic people who are considered the height of cool. which in itself will turn us upside down if we let it continue. im not saying stop the 'cool' wave but come on people, get a grip on what your kids will turn into if you let them talk likelikelikelike you know, like like like, soooo like like this.
can you imagine what would happen if an airheaded president was one of your 'plastic' children today? i, lik like like can't.
well, i've had my say and so far i agree with everyone here.
oh, btw, i am 14 and am homeschooled (aka non-generic)
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Glad to see the responses from the "echo" generation. Some very good points made.
It really makes me sick when I turn on the idiot box, almost every show is about killing, violence, rape, drug's, I don't want to watch it, there is some good, clever televisiion but for the most part its crap!
I feel if that crap was not constantly feed into peoples minds that our society would be less violent.
I watch the History channel, A&E, Discovery, ESPN and Nick@nite
It really makes me sick when I turn on the idiot box, almost every show is about killing, violence, rape, drug's, I don't want to watch it, there is some good, clever televisiion but for the most part its crap!
I feel if that crap was not constantly feed into peoples minds that our society would be less violent.
I watch the History channel, A&E, Discovery, ESPN and Nick@nite
"all the governments in the world are corrupt and in the hands of the Illuminati"
i don't know about anyone else here but i never watch the tube, other people in my house turn it on for golf or a movie once in a long while but never to just sit and rot.
people also say too much time playing games is bad for yu, untrue also. it's actually more stimulating to the mind than going into a 'trance' state watching the tube.
people also say too much time playing games is bad for yu, untrue also. it's actually more stimulating to the mind than going into a 'trance' state watching the tube.
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Afternoon, All.
As hinted in previous posts, violence in video games/ movies/ etc are triggers for weak minds to cause violence.
For most people these forms of entertainment are just that - entertainment.
Some of these weak minds are due to age (6 years old).
Some are from bad genes (they're just born stupid).
Some from bad parenting (leaving a loaded gun accessable to a kid who likes playing violent shooting games all-the-time).
When it comes to the media (from where we constantly hear about all the crap happening around the world) you have to remember this:
The media goes by the notion that bad news is good news.
Most, if not all, news shown is bad in one form or another. The percentage of bad things happening is still the same as it's always been. It's just that, with greater populations involved, there're more actual bad things happening than ever before. However... don't confuse the number with the percentage. If we culled 2% of the population which have certain behaviors, then the world would be a far better place.
Cheers,
Scronty
As hinted in previous posts, violence in video games/ movies/ etc are triggers for weak minds to cause violence.
For most people these forms of entertainment are just that - entertainment.
Some of these weak minds are due to age (6 years old).
Some are from bad genes (they're just born stupid).
Some from bad parenting (leaving a loaded gun accessable to a kid who likes playing violent shooting games all-the-time).
When it comes to the media (from where we constantly hear about all the crap happening around the world) you have to remember this:
The media goes by the notion that bad news is good news.
Most, if not all, news shown is bad in one form or another. The percentage of bad things happening is still the same as it's always been. It's just that, with greater populations involved, there're more actual bad things happening than ever before. However... don't confuse the number with the percentage. If we culled 2% of the population which have certain behaviors, then the world would be a far better place.
Cheers,
Scronty
the one thing to remember in the news is that all the stuff they show, that is the only stuff going on. like that child kidnapping spree kinda thing that went on for a while, it make people think "kidnapping is up, oh no!" but really its the lwest its ever been. gp scronty
There are only 10 kinds of people in this world; those who know what binary is, and those who don't.
Good and evil
It all comes down to a battle between good and evil. The key word being "battle" because evil can only win if good men do nothing! Parents need to focus there children's aggression towards the fight for good. If people teach their children to be non-agressive, fear of evil will rule their lives.
Tom Trude,
