Petition to EA To Get Their Finger Out...

blue60007 · Post by **blue60007** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 2:23 am

Nice, maybe that will get the point across.

kai0ty · Post by **kai0ty** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 4:36 am

honestly i could care less about cheaters. if u dont like it find anotehr server, thers thousands. i personally like em becasue they are hard to kill. the ones that admit they cheat are also fine with me. aslong as everyone else knows and they aint afraid to admit it there still cool in mah book. hell when i decide to cheat (obviously w/ clan tags off) if soemone asks i say yea. its all good is basically what im saying. no anti cheat will stop everyone, its stupid for EA to put money into it with PA coming out anyway. Look at CS for example, they put so much cash to upgrade anticheats, and 3 days later there cheats again.

Post by **jv_map** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 6:49 am

Well the game just isn't any fun when people are cheating.... also... now a lot of people say I'm cheating when I'm playing online and calling me names

not that that is much of a problem but I remember about a year ago when people used to be much more friendly towards one another on multiplayer games

lizardkid · Post by **lizardkid** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 2:55 pm

it did get the point across pretty well, but like any resolved guy who has a cause, he didn't listen too much.

he replied, if anyone wants to see his email pm me or something. i don't want to clog up netspace here at .map.

note, im pleased that even the smileys came up in that email!!

and i agree with you Kai0ty, i don't mind them either, they're easily kicked and easily banned. besides, wallcheats don't get you very far. and all the others are waaay too obvious to not notice.

i'm also currently trying to figure out a clientside way of scanning the console of an accused cheater so admins have greater certainty of why they're kicking.

haven't gotten too far yet tho.

if i figure it out, i will inform the .map community of it immediately!!!

Mj · Post by Mj » Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:55 pm

Personally I dont think this is a problem that can be fixed with a petition, the problem? As Jv rightly said:

I remember about a year ago when people used to be much more friendly towards one another on multiplayer games

The problem is a lack of respect for others which has grown out of the self-degredation of our culture. All honour and moral codes are now lost but to a few, so, to conclude, and the only way to fix the problem: Wanna fix the world anyone?

blue60007 · Post by **blue60007** » Sun May 02, 2004 2:10 am

Hey lizardkid, did you get a reply back from the guy you sent our post to? Or is he just ignoring you?

lizardkid · Post by **lizardkid** » Sun May 02, 2004 2:47 am

ya, i did. he was pretty courteous, but resolved. ill send you his response....

EDIT:

mj, you're hitting this pn the mark. the world today is definately not as trusting as, say, 50 years ago. we went through a major turning period from the 'controlling' 50's to the 'wild' 60's-80's.

no one can change the world as it is, and no one ever will. know why? because we have tasted the way the world is now, selfish, capitalist, etc. we will never trust again.

trust might as well not be in the dictionary when our firends let our secrets go to the world.

Mj · Post by Mj » Sun May 02, 2004 2:52 am

That is some pretty deep global social thinking going on...

Glad my view is apreciated

Mj

lizardkid · Post by **lizardkid** » Sun May 02, 2004 2:53 am

that was just in 5 mins, waitil you see me think for an hour...

johnnymiller · Post by **johnnymiller** » Mon May 24, 2004 8:42 am

Very interesting topic. Been playing mohaa on & off since it has come out, not a particurly skilled player as ive never had enough time to dedicate to practicing. Tons of very skilled players around and they are amazing to view in action. Cheats...hmmm.....had some very freaking annoying experiences playing against cheats. Honestly not sure which is worse in my book, skilled players cheating or non-skilled players cheating. To me personally there is nothing more frustrating getting popped off by people using wallhacks and knowing where the enemy are at times. Group of us couldnt move past the re-spawn on remagen tdm (playing as germans). About as annoying as people team spawn killing on objective maps. Cannot see the point of anyone using tactics like that or any form of cheat in MP games.

Agreed though, pointless starting petitions for EA to include anit cheat's with their game bundles. Lot of very talented people around whom will always find ways around any anti-cheat mod. As for people being whiners ingame, yeah they are...people find anything to moan about, whether its using bazooka's, shotties being good examples. Hell people even moan about smg's & rifles these days.

Anyways their are ones of us out there whom would like the chance to play the game without people ruining it by cheating and giving everyone a fair go. "It's just a game". Maybe they should run servers just for people using cheats. Well, simply my point of view, not here trying to offend anyone.

m4rine · Post by **m4rine** » Mon May 24, 2004 1:18 pm

MultiPlayer cheating is wrong, completely. But EA's problem? NO. Ours. We, as players, sort out what some of us, as players, do. EA write an 'official' anti cheat? Y don't the community? Think like Cheating Death for HL - the great hacker J00lz himself sed ' IF CD was adopted across all servers Cheating would be impossible'. Thats what we should do, develop our own program. Now when i learn C++ i'll contribute, I'm not gonna nag others to do it, tho i don't play MP, no time.

and lizardkid, don't you think that ur e-mail was more than a bit bias? You gotta put all replys, and there are plenty anti-cheaters replying to this post. And FULL post mind, not just the bit agreeing with you. e-mail him a link to the whole post so he sees all replys, not just the ones hat match or support your opinion.

P.S: on Cheating Death: it is a client hook, a cheat itself, makes changes but they are un-noticable. But it overwrites other cheats with these un-noticable changes, therefore it would stop all cheats if it was adopted across all Half-Life servers. just filling some guys in

lizardkid · Post by **lizardkid** » Mon May 24, 2004 2:39 pm

i think the most effective anti-cheat would be to counter the common cheats via scripting. i'm not very MP scripting knowledgeable but something like this...

if(Client# consoletype "dog" || "wuss" || "r_showtris 2")
{
rcon clientkick Client#
}

i doubt half of that is really MP scripting but you get the general idea.

Marine you're right about it being our problem, sort it out as admins. and also that i was biased in my letter, and mad too, but we all knew it wouldn't do any good, he had thousands on that crummy petition and they were all whining about whatever they could to while away at EA..

good for HITP team, more time to finish before MOHPA comes out!

also, the worst thing for me is when server's change my 'cheats' like third person, r_showtris 2, and others liek them in sp as well, when i map almost exclusively for sp, and sometimes i change the playermodel, but i can't see it because the dang thing can't give me access to that 'cheat'!

cassidy · Post by **cassidy** » Mon May 24, 2004 3:41 pm

So, what do you all think of DMW for mohaa?

Btw, Mohpa is coming out with punkbuster integrated.

ps: i skimmed through the thread but didn't find these mentioned, sorry if i'm repeating things already covered

Post by **jv_map** » Mon May 24, 2004 3:58 pm

lizardkid, cheats like wuss and dog are really not a problem as they are disabled on every normal server anyway... a much bigger problem are things like aimbots, cham skins and wallhacks, very powerful, the latter also are very easy to make and almost impossible to detect

lizardkid · Post by **lizardkid** » Mon May 24, 2004 4:27 pm

well, i guess i'm not really clear on what cham skins and aimbots are, i think aimbtos aim for you right? lock onto target?
cham skins have other properties associated right? like super jumping?

i dunno, i like cheats as long as you stay in your own comp, not going around cheating on public servers, that's what banning is for.

and yeah, since MOHPA is shipping with Punkbuster i'm happy, no longer will this be a prob for a while at least.

isn't a wallhack like r_showtris 2?