Nicholas Berg

lizardkid · Post by **lizardkid** » Wed May 19, 2004 5:36 pm

yes, i know. Pilot with the, um, Romans i believe killed him. but in the same respect he died for all. Allah wants all but the faithful of him to die.

Ace of Spades · Post by **Ace of Spades** » Wed May 19, 2004 5:37 pm

Mj wrote:I'm with Ace on the religion point of view, you could make your christian scentence more true by swapping a few words around:

Christianity had Jesus die for everyone.
New quote:

Christianity; Jesus died for everyone.
Words are very important in this game of life

Well said bro!

lizardkid · Post by **lizardkid** » Wed May 19, 2004 5:41 pm

ah, yes. i'll do that. good job and very well put mjmate!

Ace of Spades · Post by **Ace of Spades** » Wed May 19, 2004 5:41 pm

lizardkid wrote:yes, i know. Pilot with the, um, Romans i believe killed him. but in the same respect he died for all. Allah wants all but the faithful of him to die.

Pontius Pilate was his name. He washed his hands of the things the people wanted him to do: KILL JESUS.

He basically whimped out and let them kill him. But, it was all in the plan from the beginning. So, how would I word it? If you believe in God, the correct way to really say it is: We all killed Jesus. He died for everyone's sins so yeah, if you believe in God, we killed him. Now that's even harder to swallow.

lizardkid · Post by **lizardkid** » Wed May 19, 2004 5:50 pm

kinda a gentle guilt trip huh?

i used to be Christian but never really got, no, i don't need to go into that, in any rate, i was Christian as a kid, Sunday School, Bible every day, that sorta stuff but at about, oh i dunno, 10-11 i stopped because, well, i found too many 'fishy' things with it and things that doubled-back on themselves. um, let's see..... one of my best is....

1. did anyone but me know that the original bible is now lost? the Church of England was the second power behind the throne and kept the people in check for the king, oringinally there was no hell in the bible, when the pope's got their hands on it, they onvented it and began threatening the populace that unless they followed the church's readings to the letter they'd be sent to hell.

2. every alternate king about the religion of a certain country (can't remember whether it was France or England) would change, and the bibles burned in the process, only a few survived all this and had to be remade, more lost in translation stuff. it isn't guaranteed to be exactly the same as the church's version that was modified from the original that wasn't even translated right. (it's hard to translate something you read backwards)

can't remember any more right offhand. but those were some of my better examples of why i personally quit. not saying people as a whole sshould quit, maybe there are good explanations for this, but i haven;t found them.

Ace of Spades · Post by **Ace of Spades** » Wed May 19, 2004 6:00 pm

Boy, have we gotten off the subject here or what? What was this post originally about?

Mj · Post by Mj » Wed May 19, 2004 6:00 pm

2. every alternate king about the religion of a certain country

It was england in the tutor period, when the monarchs couldnt decide between being protestant or catholic.

But in either case there were many scripts that survived, helped mainly by zealous people in hiding (i think)...

EDIT: It was originally about Nicholas berg (see page 1...)

Ace of Spades · Post by **Ace of Spades** » Wed May 19, 2004 7:10 pm

Mj wrote:It was originally about Nicholas berg (see page 1...)

I know, I was being sarcastic.

Mj · Post by Mj » Wed May 19, 2004 7:28 pm

Lol, i knew that!

lizardkid · Post by **lizardkid** » Wed May 19, 2004 8:04 pm

riiiiiiight.....

wow, went to politics, then religion from that.

ziptie2k2 · Post by **ziptie2k2** » Thu May 20, 2004 10:39 am

ziptie2k2 wrote:
IMHO I dont beleive there is any way to change the view of americans from the middle east's point of view.

M&M wrote:
well,that is very sad to hear . instead of trying to gain our trust by listening to our opinions (and doing something about it) people simply give up and either just ignores them or even not listen at all .

Exactly my point, I dont want ANYBODY hating me or my country, but no matter what I say the opinion will remain!!!!!!!!!!!

And obveously I'm still listening, but what exactly do you want me to hear?

Mj · Post by Mj » Thu May 20, 2004 12:20 pm

I found a political forum earlier... and this is DEFINETLEY mor hardcore political disussion than they do...

Maybe its something in MohRadiant

lizardkid · Post by **lizardkid** » Thu May 20, 2004 1:53 pm

it's the computers mjmate, we sit at them for hours with no social interaction and then BOOM! we end up here.....

btw that may be true that we don't listen, i've heard people tell me i'm more stubborn than a cold donkey in three feet of snow.

well my opinion in the middle east is i think pretty reasonable, get the heck outa there after we're done and stop cratering countries. if i'm correct that's what Arab nations and most of the populace there think too....

mj, i just noticed your post....

Mj wrote:babysitting? We have two regimes, US (yes it is a regime) and the old saddam. What are the US doing different? Pretending they care. And its for US to babysit everone. Its for US to keep there noses in the US. Go contol the guncrime, lack of education, over coporateship (yes, this is a problem - but dont know if its a real word), stop giving weapons to other contries, stop training terrorists (like bin laden).

And THEN go and babysit other countries.

no mj, maybe that's all you've heard about this country, the crime, the guns being transferred, the people getting raped, shot, stabbed, electrocuted, (not spelled right) and meeting other gruesome deaths.

well remember, the media feeds what the public wants to hear. come on! no one would watch their tv's if nothing interesting would be on, the media is the same as show biz. all the other countries that we ticked off in so many wars want to be told that America is this filthy, gunsmoke-clouded place where punks run free and shoot people all day with automatics. no, this country is actually very nice, i've never been to any other to compare, but i think this place is suitable. my guess is that yours isn't that much different from mine. true, we have a more volume country so we have more types of weather in different places (Ney York is muggy, Arizona is hot and dry) but still.

also, has anyone seen Gangs of Ney York and thought that all of America was like that? anyone? okay. i rest my case.

Mj · Post by Mj » Thu May 20, 2004 2:00 pm

Lol, it's not like i watch too much TV or anything, in fact, i never watch TV, its just in every place there are two worlds, the overground, (us all i hope) and the underground. Americas underground is notoriously large, still not comparable to somewhere like brazil though, because in some places the underground merges with the overground. Have you ever read Micheal Moore's book(s)? They are both very good and enlightening

Try reading them, or watching the documentary "bowling for columbine", not trying to slag off america here, just doing the same as map reviewing, pointing out flaws

lizardkid · Post by **lizardkid** » Thu May 20, 2004 2:02 pm

yes, with freedom comes those who abuse it reallly really baaaaaaaad.
(btw i am overgrorund to those underground

we got sunshine here losers!)
i can understand your point of view, and probably the resident admin's concern about my post sizes now, but seriously, we aren't that bad.we have problems and yes we have some bad shiznit going on here, but overall, we're okay.