Making a good looking rope that winds up

BirdsofaFeather · Post by **BirdsofaFeather** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 4:56 pm

never mind, i'm dumb, i should have tried it first, all's good thank you

BirdsofaFeather · Post by **BirdsofaFeather** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:22 pm

bdbodger - Have you tried it with a moving target yet? Will he have to loop "updateendpoint"?

Well, that's exactly my problem now. The endpoint does not update automatically, although I'm also not certain that my script origin is binding properly to the elevator ($ele_left_origin bind $ele_left should do it right?). I tried looping updateendpoint in a separate thread, like this:

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ele_left_updateendpoint:

	while(1)
	{
		$ele_left_beam updateendpoint //targetname for the func_beam, with the command to update the endpoint
		waitframe //not sure if this is long enough time to wait
	}

end

I say that the waitframe might not be long enough because after about a minute of play with this thread running the game slowly starts to bog down and fps drops, that's my only guess as to why it happens (if I comment out this thread that doesn't happen). So, I might not be properly executing the updateendpoint command, I'm not sure, see if i'm doing something wrong.

bdbodger · Post by **bdbodger** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:47 pm

The beam does update if you do it right here is the script for the test clock I did with beams hc is hour the the hour center script origin that has the key rotatex I think it is and I forget the value right now but it rotates once per hour there are beams for the munutes and seconds too

main:

$h bind $hc
$s bind $sc
$m bind $mc

$sbeam maxoffset 0
$sbeam color ( 0 0 1 ) // blue
$sbeam numsegments 100
$sbeam endalpha .01
$sbeam life .001
$sbeam light 0 0 1 140
$sbeam lighton

$sbeam shootradius 50
$sbeam shoot
$sbeam activate

$mbeam maxoffset 2
$mbeam numsegments 2
$mbeam color ( 0 1 0 ) // green
$mbeam doactivate

$hbeam numsegments 8
$hbeam color ( 1 0 0 ) // red
$hbeam numsegments 100
$hbeam endalpha .5
$hbeam maxoffset 2
$hbeam doactivate

Thats it the whole script the func_beam targets the moveing script origins

The beams in that picture have the key:tileshader and value : textures/general_industrial/cable_wire

BirdsofaFeather · Post by **BirdsofaFeather** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:13 pm

well, I did a test and NOTHING is binding for me, I'm really not sure why. I'm trying to bind three things to this elevator, it's not complicated code and i've checked it a million times:

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	$ele_left_origin bind $ele_left
	$ele_left_handle bind $ele_left
	$ele_left_trigger bind $ele_left

$ele_left_origin is obviously the origin
$ele_left_handle is just a handle that moves prior to the elevator moving
$ele_left_trigger is the elevator trigger
and $ele_left is the elevator itself

and none of the binds are working, i'm really not sure why at all, never had a problem like it. And yes I checked for mispelling the targetnames..... got me.

Here, I'll just post my whole code, I can't see this problem

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ele_prep:

	level.elepos = 0
	$ele_left1 time 8.675
	$ele_left2 time 8.675
	$ele_left3 time 8.675
	$ele_left4 time 8.675
	$ele_left5 time 8.675
	$ele_left6 time 8.675
	$ele_left7 time 8.675
	$ele_left8 time 8.675
	$ele_right1 time 8.675
	$ele_right2 time 8.675
	$ele_right3 time 8.675
	$ele_right4 time 8.675
	$ele_right5 time 8.675
	$ele_right6 time 8.675
	$ele_right7 time 8.675
	$ele_right8 time 8.675
	$ele_left_pulley time 8.675
	$ele_right_pulley time 8.675
	$ele_left_handle time 1
	$ele_right_handle time 1

	$ele_left_trigger triggerable
	$ele_right_trigger triggerable

end

ele_move:


	$ele_left_trigger nottriggerable
	$ele_right_trigger nottriggerable

	if (level.elepos == 0)
	{
		waitthread leftdown_rightup
	}
	else if (level.elepos == 1)
	{
		waitthread leftup_rightdown
	}

	$ele_left_trigger triggerable
	$ele_right_trigger triggerable

end

leftdown_rightup:

	$ele_left_handle rotateZup 90
	$ele_right_handle rotateZdown 90
	$ele_left_handle playsound click
	$ele_right_handle playsound click
	$ele_left_handle move
	$ele_right_handle waitmove

	wait .2

	$ele_left_origin bind $ele_left
	$ele_left_handle bind $ele_left
	$ele_left_trigger bind $ele_left
	$ele_left time 8.675
	$ele_left moveDown 694
	$ele_left1 moveDown 694
	$ele_left2 moveDown 694
	$ele_left3 moveDown 694
	$ele_left4 moveDown 694
	$ele_left5 moveDown 694
	$ele_left6 moveDown 694
	$ele_left7 moveDown 694
	$ele_left8 moveDown 694
	
	$ele_right_origin bind $ele_right
	$ele_right_handle bind $ele_right
	$ele_right_trigger bind $ele_right
	$ele_right time 8.675
	$ele_right moveUp 694
	$ele_right1 moveUp 694
	$ele_right2 moveUp 694
	$ele_right3 moveUp 694
	$ele_right4 moveUp 694
	$ele_right5 moveUp 694
	$ele_right6 moveUp 694
	$ele_right7 moveUp 694
	$ele_right8 moveUp 694

	$ele_left1 rotateZup 3614.8428
	$ele_left2 rotateZup 3614.8428
	$ele_left3 rotateZup 3614.8428
	$ele_left4 rotateZup 3614.8428
	$ele_left5 rotateZdown 3614.8428
	$ele_left6 rotateZdown 3614.8428
	$ele_left7 rotateZdown 3614.8428
	$ele_left8 rotateZdown 3614.8428

	$ele_right1 rotateZdown 3614.8428
	$ele_right2 rotateZdown 3614.8428
	$ele_right3 rotateZdown 3614.8428
	$ele_right4 rotateZdown 3614.8428
	$ele_right5 rotateZup 3614.8428
	$ele_right6 rotateZup 3614.8428
	$ele_right7 rotateZup 3614.8428
	$ele_right8 rotateZup 3614.8428

	$ele_left_pulley rotateXdown 2485.2044
	$ele_right_pulley rotateXdown 2485.2044

	$ele_left loopsound m2l1_gate_open
	$ele_left move
	$ele_left1 move
	$ele_left2 move
	$ele_left3 move
	$ele_left4 move
	$ele_left5 move
	$ele_left6 move
	$ele_left7 move
	$ele_left8 move

	$ele_right loopsound m2l1_gate_open
	$ele_right move
	$ele_right1 move
	$ele_right2 move
	$ele_right3 move
	$ele_right4 move
	$ele_right5 move
	$ele_right6 move
	$ele_right7 move
	$ele_right8 move

	$ele_left_pulley move
	$ele_right_pulley waitmove

	$ele_left loopsound m2l1_gate_open wait
	$ele_right loopsound m2l1_gate_open wait

	$ele_left_handle time 1
	$ele_right_handle time 1

	level.elepos = 1

end

leftup_rightdown:


	$ele_left_handle rotateZdown 90
	$ele_right_handle rotateZup 90
	$ele_left_handle playsound click
	$ele_right_handle playsound click
	$ele_left_handle move
	$ele_right_handle waitmove

	wait .2

	$ele_left_origin bind $ele_left
	$ele_left_handle bind $ele_left
	$ele_left_trigger bind $ele_left
	$ele_left time 8.675
	$ele_left moveUp 694
	$ele_left1 moveUp 694
	$ele_left2 moveUp 694
	$ele_left3 moveUp 694
	$ele_left4 moveUp 694
	$ele_left5 moveUp 694
	$ele_left6 moveUp 694
	$ele_left7 moveUp 694
	$ele_left8 moveUp 694
	
	$ele_right_origin bind $ele_right
	$ele_right_handle bind $ele_right
	$ele_right_trigger bind $ele_right
	$ele_right time 8.675
	$ele_right moveDown 694
	$ele_right1 moveDown 694
	$ele_right2 moveDown 694
	$ele_right3 moveDown 694
	$ele_right4 moveDown 694
	$ele_right5 moveDown 694
	$ele_right6 moveDown 694
	$ele_right7 moveDown 694
	$ele_right8 moveDown 694

	$ele_left1 rotateZdown 3614.8428
	$ele_left2 rotateZdown 3614.8428
	$ele_left3 rotateZdown 3614.8428
	$ele_left4 rotateZdown 3614.8428
	$ele_left5 rotateZup 3614.8428
	$ele_left6 rotateZup 3614.8428
	$ele_left7 rotateZup 3614.8428
	$ele_left8 rotateZup 3614.8428

	$ele_right1 rotateZup 3614.8428
	$ele_right2 rotateZup 3614.8428
	$ele_right3 rotateZup 3614.8428
	$ele_right4 rotateZup 3614.8428
	$ele_right5 rotateZdown 3614.8428
	$ele_right6 rotateZdown 3614.8428
	$ele_right7 rotateZdown 3614.8428
	$ele_right8 rotateZdown 3614.8428

	$ele_left_pulley rotateXup 2485.2044
	$ele_right_pulley rotateXup 2485.2044

	$ele_left loopsound m2l1_gate_open
	$ele_left move
	$ele_left1 move
	$ele_left2 move
	$ele_left3 move
	$ele_left4 move
	$ele_left5 move
	$ele_left6 move
	$ele_left7 move
	$ele_left8 move

	$ele_right loopsound m2l1_gate_open
	$ele_right move
	$ele_right1 move
	$ele_right2 move
	$ele_right3 move
	$ele_right4 move
	$ele_right5 move
	$ele_right6 move
	$ele_right7 move
	$ele_right8 move

	$ele_left_pulley move
	$ele_right_pulley waitmove

	$ele_left loopsound m2l1_gate_open wait
	$ele_right loopsound m2l1_gate_open wait

	$ele_left_handle time 1
	$ele_right_handle time 1

	level.elepos = 0

end

just ignore all the little $ele_left1 $ele_left2's etc. (they're just wheels on the side). The elevators are $ele_left and $ele_right. The triggers in the map have a key: setthread value: ele_move, on both of them, so they call the ele_move thread when triggered. I don't know if this would affect their ability to be binded and moved... Earlier in the script I have thread ele_prep. And all the crazy numbers are stuff I'm experimenting with, doesn't affect the binding.

tltrude · Post by **tltrude** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:38 pm

Bind only has to be done one time, so put all of the bind lines in prep. You can still reotate or move something that is bound to another object. So for the little wheels, bind them to the elevator and then use "rotateZ 360" to start them and rotateZ 0 to stop them rotating--the number is speed of rotation. "waitmove" will stop the script until the object finishes its move--you probably know that.

Perhaps you should tripple check your targetnames--even a capital letter will screw it up. Also, check for errors in the console--make a qconsole.log in main by typing "logfile 1" in the console just before you start the server to test the map.

BirdsofaFeather · Post by **BirdsofaFeather** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:15 pm

I checked the logfile, no errors, and when I tried to bind the wheels they didn't bind either. I also triple checked my targetnames, all good. However, I didn't notice this before, but when it compiles it shows a lot of errors for entity duplicate planes. EG, it says:

Entity 47, Brush 1: Duplicate Plane (then repeats this line about 20 times)
Entity 49, Brush 1: Duplicate Plane (repeats this 20 times)
and it lists probably 20 more entities.

Some of these entities are involved in the elevator. Now I know what a duplicate plane is for normal brushes, that's pretty obvious. But I checked all the entitites it listed, none of them overlap anything. They aren't in a duplicate plane with anything. Does this error message refer to anything else?

edit* just saw this too, after all the errors it says: "entity reached from outside, no filling" now that I've never seen

BirdsofaFeather · Post by **BirdsofaFeather** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 12:04 am

ok, forget those duplicate plane entities, I just remade them and that got rid of the errors. It still gives me the error "entity reached from outside -- no filling", not sure what that's about. I'm gonna test it as soon as it's done compiling to see if the binding works yet.

*edit* ok, forget that entity reached from outside crap too, just did a search and found out it says that when there's a leak into the void (which I made on purpose).

*double edit* well, the errors are gone, but I still CANNOT bind stuff....this is real weird. Repeat, bind does NOT work yet.

tltrude · Post by **tltrude** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 12:17 am

Duplacate planes are caused by moving the verticies of brushes, or by a wayward cut. You can get rid of them with the Rogue plugins. The other error is a leak in your skybox and you can see where it is by hitting file > pointfile. Neither of those will cause binding to fail.

You can find out about the Rogue Plugins here: /forum/viewtopic.php?t=6790&highlight=rogue

Check to see if your script threads are running by placing a few debug lines in your script.

iprintln "The elevator has been setup, awaiting trigger."
iprintln "The trigger has fired."
iprintln "The elevator is moving up."
ect...

BirdsofaFeather · Post by **BirdsofaFeather** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 12:23 am

oops, made that edit before you posted that. But anyway, yes, I know the script is running because the elevator moves while the stuff I'm binding to it stays in place. And I know that the ele_prep method (the one with my bindings) is running because my 'time xx' statements are all there and those are all running. For some reason I simply can't bind anything at all. My elevator has multiple brushes for one entity, could the other pieces possibly have a problem binding to multiple brushes?

tltrude · Post by **tltrude** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 12:30 am

It doesn't matter how many brushes your script_object elevator has, as long as it is all one script_object with the "ele_left" targetname. I will be on MSN for the next 30 min (contact name tltrude).

BirdsofaFeather · Post by **BirdsofaFeather** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:32 am

woohoo, all's well, turned out I accidently had ONE PART of the elevator as it's own entity, PAH. Works great, thanks for all the help you guys.

tltrude · Post by **tltrude** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 3:10 am

If you should learn anything more about using beams as ropes or cables, other than what bdbodger has posted, I hope you will pass the knowlege along for the use of other mappers.

Good luck!

BirdsofaFeather · Post by **BirdsofaFeather** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 3:34 pm

Well, I did find this out. Unless you want your beam to wave around like crazy, make sure you have this property set:

key: maxoffset
value: 0

The maxoffset is the maximum distance that the beam can move from it's planned trajectory. So if you want a non-wavering beam, make the maxoffset 0. And make sure to click the property START ON if you want the beam to.....start on...because the beam will not automatically turn on. That's all that I have really used.

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