Crop circles

[At0miC]

About the STS-48 mission, Ive saw that also once before, I saw many other movies about space mission where they filmed those weird unrecognizably flying objects.

Here is some nice info about the STS-48 one: http://www.mufor.org/sts48.htm

Check how it is moving, it's moving 'slow' and suddenly it's moving up and backwards from 87,000 kph (Mach 73) to 340,000 kph (Mach 285) within 2.2 seconds.

Anyway, about the laser satelite canon, that sounds very intersted, many of the effects before, during, and after a crop circle creation, can have something to do with laser.

The heat on the ground, and in the air -> guess lasers can do that
Light effects -> laser is excually a light, but this one is invisible I think, in the site hogleg gaved it say's it's the electromagnetic field that is caused by the maser.
burnspots -> laser can burn in stuff, but why found ppl the burnspots only on metal objects?
light orbs, and light beams -> mircowave laser effects??
knocking and scratching sounds -> I've saw a documentary about laser, and also heard the knocking sounds that laser can make (how would it be if it is a very strong laser!)
death flies -> to weak for the laser lol
unnodded stalks -> it's not touched by a solid object, microwave laser is not solid.
'real' crop circles makes animals restless -> maybe they can feel the power that was used, also about the sounds (of the laser), animals are very sensitive for sounds. (maybe there would be ultra sonic sounds)
'real' crop circles gives humans a sick feeling -> there has been a quick changing when the mircowave laser made the circle, the frequentions in the air could be changed, humans are also very sensitive for sounds, ppl will not hear sounds below 20 Hz, if a sound will be around 15 and 20 Hz, some ppl will get some by effects like trembling eyes* but also a sick feeling.
No tracks made by humans (in the ground and trough grass or grain etc) -> duh laser

Laser is very precise, that's maybe why there are no faults in many crop circles, and many of them are precise with the mathematical objects, without a deviation.

Well, laser would be a good explanation, excually the best one I've ever heard about crop circles.

About the light orbs, I found a gif picture about them:

And have a good look, it's above a grain field and you will see there will be a crop circle will appear when the light orbs are flying over the field.
It would be maybe some kind of laser effect.
I found this at http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/orig ... ircles.htm
it's very intersted anyway.
This is the same one but it's a movie and in color:
http://www.iwasabducted.com/ufovideos/cropcircle.mpeg
Anyway, can someone find out which cropcircle this is, I want to see a air picture of it.

Here is a video about a light orb near a crop circle:
http://www.iwasabducted.com/ufovideos/m ... c0790.mpeg

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/cropmicx.htm
This is also interesting, it's about the mircowave beams by satellites.


*trembling eyes:
I've readed about this one, many ppl will get them if there is a sound btween 15 and 20 Hz, some of them will get a cold feeling in their neck, a dizzy feeling, respiration problems, ear pain and more.
With this, scientists proved that ghosts doens't exists,

how?:
Well when ppl will get tremblin eyes, they will mostly see a moving vague spot in the sides of the eyes. Pll will think that they are ghosts, when they try to look at it, the 'ghost' was away.
Ghosts hunters and scientists made sound tests at places where ppl see ghosts, and guess what, they founded a sounds between 15 and 20 Hz (normaly it would be 18 Hz) those sounds where created in hollow spaces like a cellar (sounds come from outside like the sea or traffic, or you are the one that makes the sounds, by breating air, or walking steps), that's why some ppl are scared for some cellars.
Also a big cause of 'ghosts' are fans.

edit: here is The WOW signal that was said before:

Here is the explanation of the code:
http://www.bigear.org/6equj5.htm

[Splaetos]

Ufo footage shot recently is easy to fake, and there is no ufo footage taped when it was hard to fake that is worth anything.

Coincidence? No.

So few ufo enthusiasts know anything about celestial mechanics - physics -biology, why is that? If they are obsessed with people from space why arent they out learning all they can ABOUT space, about the upper atmosphere about the physics of light, reflection, refraction - atmospheric drag, etc etc.

A tv show or movie, cant remmeber which, said something like: 'How can you explain the similarity of UFO abduction stories around the world'

Well first off, im not aware of too many pygmies who have no contact with the world coming forward with abduction stories - it seems to be dominantly an american phenomenon(with some other countries mixed in).

Secondly, I really dont feel a need to explain it, its laughable. However, if forced to, the people askign the question would pout at the explanation more then likely anyway. Kinda like my jr high english class, where the whole class seemed to be offended by the concept of a 'theme'. They were under the impressions I guess, that it was easier to contruct a 300,000 word story about nothing, just a random a plot, then it would be to write about a message or something that was important to you. So you mention the word 'mass psychology' early in your response, and the ufo experts freak out in the same way, claiming nothing this widespread and detailed could be a shared hallucination, farce or the product of a desperate mind.

If you had a UFO experience, a real one, say later tongiht, would you go and report it? I mean to anyone, not just to the 'star' or 'enquirer' as it seems most do. I wouldnt. I dont want to be laughed at, and at first I would question my sanity. So that initial time gone by, there is no motivation to make a public spectacle out of myself, UNLESS a public spectacle(ie attention) is what my subconsious wanted the whole time. There is nothing to gain by going public with an uf abduction story, nothing but attention ~and unless you subscribe to the maxim that no press is bad press~ attention in this case isnt going to produce anything tangible.

UFO abduction stories are so alike because that is how you get attention. If you proclaim to the masses that bob marleys ghost came down, took you aboard his ganja ship, and shoved a blunt up your posterior, your not going to get much press. However, if you come up with a similar abduction story to what exists, you have support. There are people who live for this stuff. I'm not saying that all abductions are 'made up'. Actualy I'd bet the majority of them are subconsiously created =)

damn these forums load bloody slow~

[At0miC]

How about the proofs and explanations?

Why would mice eat the normal grain and not the grain from inside a circle? It's also proved that it tasted really awefull for human.

What about the discovery that the ground and area in some grain field were between 500 and 1500 degrees for a short time? founded in ground tests

What were the sounds scientists recorded? all those sounds from everywere were familiar.

How about the water qualities that has been changed, they found out in a laboratory in Japan.

There are many more stuff that has been proved.

You can't say that this stuff is just invented, these are serious investigations and proven several times. Science is no game! Only the stories could be nonsenses. Don't just say this is all bullshit.

p.s. ofcourse there are so many fake movies about ufo's and light orbs, anyway why would Nasa fake their own movies? anyway scientists will see fast enough if a movie would be fake, but there are movies that will let the scientists legs shake.

[Jack Ruby]

Funny thing I just bought a book last week from a charity shop ( I think they are called thrift stores in the US ) for about 30 pennies, I always have a nose around for books in those kinda shops as you can get a bundle of books for a couple of pounds and the money goes to a good cause.

Anyways this book I am reading is all about seti, it goes into all the points about biology, geology, astronomy etc.

It makes a very plausible case that we are not being visited, even though I would love to believe they ahve visited us I really doubt they are, though it cant be ruled out totally.

Of the thousands upon thousands of reported sighting of ufo's and abductions there is not one conclusive case that can prove that they are ET's.

There are about 100 billion stars in the galaxy, about 10 billion are candidates for planetary systems that could support life. The sun is one of the 10 billion, seeing as our sun does not seem to be unusual in any way at all it probably wouldnt be high on the list of priorities for a race that is systematically exploring the galaxy, it would just have to wait its turn in their methodical search.

If one million of the civilisations ( of course its an abitrary number but an optimistic one for the point I am trying to make ) each send out one starship a year, and if each starship visits one star a year, it will take a total of 10000 years before one of those starships visits our system. To put it another way it the Earth is visited by only one starship a year each of the one million civilisations would have to be sending 10000 starships a year.

The ufo buffs tell us our skies are teeming with visitors which just does not add up.

Albert Einstein was asked what he thought when he was told 100 scientists had signed a document saying relativity is wrong, he said " If I was wrong only one signature would have been enough"

So of thousands and thousands of reports not one can be proved to be evidence of aliens.

The pic atomic posted of the field with the lights above it was proved to be a fake years ago.

If say the aliens did arrive, they would have found a rare thing, chances are they would have searched at least 9999 other stars before finding us, space travel is an expensive business so it can be assumed they would want to make contact at the earliest opportunity with scientists, governments. If the ufo buffs are to be believed they have been flying around for decades making themselves known to rednecks, housewives in fact everyone except the people who could say for sure what they are, surely the main task of the mission would be to establish contact, or maybe they just like anal probing.

[Splaetos]

arthur clarke was mentioned in a another thread, and he is a great example of a scientific view prone to flights of fancy. Take 2001/2010: They are both founded on science, with fiction added as vague possibilities of what might be beyond our scientific research. THe monolith is the prime example, but my favorite is in 2010, when jupiter is being converted into a new star, to support the fragments of life on europa. It is very brief but he mentions life on jupiter. For any life to exist on jupiter it would have to be vastly different from ours, night to our day. But something like that, things our science cant possibly even find yet, much less identify are at the core of those books.

Is it possible that a crop circle or some other event has been the result of extra-terrestrial influence? Yes - there is no way to absolutely dissprove the influence of something we would not even undertand mroe then likely. However, it is far more likely that all of these things have root in terestial penomena, and mosto f them do have more mundane explanations. Even if you can establish to a point of absolute fact, that something involved in one of these events is impossible by any means of naturaly or manmade occuring event, then it is still more probable that they are the result of something yet undiscovered. Something that exists, however rarely, as a result of science or nature, and has not yet been puzzled together.

The greatest detriment to the belief of serious minded people in the existence of the extra-terrestrial is the sheer volume of 'believers'. Believers are people who will piece together whatever they can, without objectivity, in order to support the existence of that which they wish to believe. There is no proof that any phenomenon witnessed on earth, is the result of extra-terrestial intelligence. There are many things on this earth, that we do not yet understand. As science continues to try and explain what is not understood, it finds even more things that it doesnt understand. That is the essence of the scientific process, to further the expanse of human knowledge.

I dont remmeber if it was Dupin or Holmes who said: 'once you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left, however improbable, must be so.' Science does not subscribe to that theory universaly, however it does cling to ideals like that out of sheer necessity. Ideas like hakim's razor(sp?) 'the simplest solution is often the correct one' are the lifeblood of science, because before you can graps at more improbably explanations you must first be positive that more likely solutions do not hold up.

To my knowledge, there is nothing even close, in the body of published phenomena that indicates we should be looking to the skies, instead of at our own earth. Until that happens, it is hard to make a scientific case for sentient alien life.

In future, maybe that wont be the case, but as for the present....

[At0miC]

Why would they be always aliens? it can also be something we don't know about it, but maybe really exists

About the light orbs, witnesses say that they are not smaller then an egg or bigger then a football, and there are scientists that say that is just a strange nature effect. but I don't know, I want to see it first before I will really believe it, that would be the best prove for myself

but this is all hard to declare. There are also so many stories.

I don't believe Aliens haven't visited us, but maybe they will know that we are here. even if we are 100 light years away from them. who knows lol.

Anyway, I believe in more life in space, even it will be so small a cell or big as trees. all possible.


Anyway I saw this once in a book:

(Some micro organisms can survive on places like where is no air, no nature, extreeme heats and damn cold places etc. and they will not die because age)
In all those millions and billions years there has been transportation of micro organism trough all the planets and moons in our solar system, ofcourse on some planets the mirco organisms will be destroyed because some planets are not soled etc.
Anyway, those micro organisms where in the rocks from planets like mars, if there is a big crater impact it?s possible that the pieces rocks (with micro organisms) will fly into space and come to an other planet, if the climate is very well they you will see live coming in them. or else the mirco organisms will sbe still enclosed, excually all the same race of mirco organism has been on all the planets and moons in our solar system, and there are ofcourse still enclosed micro organism flying around trough space for millions of years. So excually we are propperly coming from somewhere else lol, if you know what I mean, maybe all the life here could be come from micro organism that has come from an other solar system xx years ago, the space is excually infected with flying micro oganisms but ofcourse the change that a rock will arive a planet or some would be sooo small, you could say it's impossible.
Remember that they had a mechanism on the moon, after some months they taked the mechanism back to earth, and they found micro organism on it (the same organism that has been sended to the moon), they easy survived the hell called the moon.

So the life were we are coming from is really old and has been come everywhere.
Excually the planets where spitting the organisms to each other in all those years.

Anyway, thousends pieces of rocks and grits are hitting the outside of the earth each day (don't know how it is in english srry) who knows what kind of stuff would be on it?? Stuff are hitting the earth so much so with all those 'stuff' the chance if a planet would be hitted with micro organism would be very bigger then. then space is not that empty.

[Jack Ruby]

Well I dont think there are micro organisms in space, organic molecules which are the building blocks of life are indeed spread throughout the universe, the meteorites that bring these molecules to Earth are actually called carbonaceous chrondrites, the organic chemicals found inside are almost if not identical to those found inside living creatures here.

The thing about us being seeded from space is this, amino acids can be both left handed or right handed ( I cant go into much detail ) the acids found in metorites are a mix of both left and right while in every living creature on Earth they are all left handed, which points to the fact that we can trace every living things ancestry back to one chance happening in the primeval soup that was around billions of years ago.

[At0miC]

No, it is true,

Some micro organism can survive it with no problems.
It's also proven (1969), I just grabbed the book, it was a camera on the moon, after 3 years they taked the camera back to earth, there were already micro organism in the camera before it was sended to the moon. however, the micro organisms survived the moon with no problem.
There were already studies about micro organism on the moon or other planets. But after this they payed more attention to this and scientists were also study about traveling of micro organism trough space (in rocks etc.) they found out that it would be really easy for them to survive those travels, only the hardest problem for them would be that they will be destroyed (burned) when it hit the outside of the earth (you know ) later they were also study about new virusses that could come from space to earth.
Scientists are really convinces that planets have exchanged micro organisms and that there are still micro organisms are flying around trough space. (using a rock or something)

Micro organisms are the only ones who can survive in different and really extreme surroundings, even when they are open for UV radiation or chemical radiation, no problem for them.

Ofcourse the molecules thingy you said is also trough, it was really needed to get life on this planet . btw the C-Atom (carbon) was the most important of them

[Cheetohs]

Heh, i know i'm a bit late in the ballgame here, but I just have a few things to say...

Every one of your statements was along the lines of:

"Witnesses saw..."
"scientists say..."
"The news stated..."

if you ask me, this is a load of crap. Have you ever heard of the 'telephone game' where one person starts a sentence, passes it to the next, and that person to the next and so on, and the last person who gets the sentence, it's a totally different sentence?

It seems today that many people want to be on T.V. and be famous.. what better way by saying 'OH YES! i saw that orb, it uh... um.. was making a WEIRD sound!' BAM! Hey mom, im on t.v.

As for the UFO clips... the GIF one could easily be made in PAINT. But also, if someone were to take out a clip from the movie 'apocolypse' of buildings getting blown to hell by meteors, and plaster it all over the news stating 'Yesterday, New York was bombarded by meteors' *plays short clip*. So many people would believe it was true.... I'd like to remind the American Members of the "War of the Worlds" radio version by Orson Welles.

Well, that's what this is sounding like. How do YOU know that the grain was microwaved? How do YOU know the orbs (if any!) made sounds?

Another consideration, Why are most sightings of UFOs and other mysteries Blurry? Don't say "OOO, its because they weren't suspecting it and weren't prepaired for the UFO to come out, DUH!" Hell, I've been on hiking trips where a bear or some unsuspected animal pops out and i get a good, clean picture of it.

I have much more to say, but i'll wait to see what kind of replies i get for this... Im not saying im not a believer, im just saying that you guys are fencing with invisible swords. Substantial evidence (if it's even possible to come by any!) is what this discussion needs.

[Splaetos]

There is substantial evidence to the existence of UFO's just not reliable evidence.

One shred of reliable(or better indisputable) evidence indicating that something not of this earth had recently visited would drasticaly alter the conversation. But to be fair, sworn testimonial from hundreds, maybe thousands of people who claim to be first hand witnesses is definately substantial. I dont believe any of them, but its a substantial claim nonetheless.

[Cheetohs]

True, it can be considered substantial.... but

sworn testimonial

Or perhaps... paid. Or like i mentioned before, personal gain for one's self to be on T.v.

[lizardkid]

haha, i'm late too Master Glitcher.

i never take testimonials for sure. lol those things are ALWAYS paid advertisements. another fact is that people are easily goaded into fame. it was the alein thing that one personal (maybe two or three) actually saw, then people began seeing them all over and getting famous for a few weeks.

even i can modify simple images like that, small bright orbs are NOT hard to do.

as for there actually being sentient beings outside of Earth (look at chimps man, look at teh chimps) i think there are, i mean come on, we're the freaks of Earth, why not different planets have their freaks too?