Truth about politics.

[Yarik]

Before you read you must know about me that way you don't have to guess many things..
I voted for Bush.
I am NONE partisan. I do not belong to Rep, or Dem.
I support our troops and going into IRAQ.
If you are old enough (over 18) and did not vote, then you are an idiot.


1) Media is almost ALWAYS biased.
2) MOST of the politicians are corupt and liars. (99%)
3) Politicians in America DO NOT represent the people as they are supposed to. They have their own political agenda.
4) "Campaign contributions" ARE BRIBES.
5) Not all campaign Promises will be filled.



Now somethings people need to know.
1) They need to stop listening to the Media. Read articles from both sides and choose your best response.
2) You do not have to vote for what your parents believe in.
3) Flip-Flopping means that you change your mind as new information comes in. Which is Good.
4) Lying is bad. And Going back on a promise is bad. But changing your mind on an issue is good. (flip-floping).
5) Bush is not a spy, he does not work with the CIA so he had NO FRIGGEN WAY OF DETERMINING IF THE INFO ABOUT WMD WERE ACCURATE. He was simply handed papers, and on that he based his response of going into IRAQ.

[hogleg]

Well to me it usually comes down to which clone seems to represent my beliefes or standards the most.
In this election I believed that Bush should be given the oppertunity to finish what he started. It wouldn't have been right in my mind to let Kerry step in and seem like a hero and clean up Georges war efforts.
So I voted Bush.

Like Sting says " They all seem like game show host to me."

[jv_map]

5) Bush is not a spy, he does not work with the CIA so he had NO FRIGGEN WAY OF DETERMINING IF THE INFO ABOUT WMD WERE ACCURATE. He was simply handed papers, and on that he based his response of going into IRAQ.

If he really believed Iraq could deploy wmd's quickly that could reach the US, he definately wouldn't ever have attacked the country. How crazy must you be to invade a country with not enough troops (and starting with a half-assed cruise missile attack aimed at a juicy but military irrelevant target) knowing that the enemy could nuke your cities within the hour

[cardevsan]

WMD's are not only "NUKES"
Hell irag's scuds can just about hit israel(with a good rubber band..haha)
(who said irag had nukes??)
And About the first cruise missle attack why not try to take out saddam with a quick cruise missle attack the rest of the irag leadership would have fallen to pieces..(that's the weak link in a dictatorship the leader goes bye bye the rest will crumble)
WMD's can be anything from nukes to deadly virius's
Clinton in the 90's tried a cruise missle attack on bin laden.that worked well.
Got him pissed off that's about it......then 9/11

[jv_map]

Bush went to war because Iraq's 'WMD's' would pose a threat to the US... that's the official 'reason' I believe... don't think he ever said let's go there to save Israel

[cardevsan]

And yes there was a chance for his "WMD's" to be delivered to the america one way or another
Saddam was a bad mother he killed tens of thousands of kurds by gassing them ....so yes he did have "wmd's"
probably moved them to syria,before the war...
after 9/11 the president has a right to be proactive not reactive
of course only to a certain extent......not invading every country he see's fit too....

[jv_map]

after 9/11 the president has a right to be proactive not reactive

No he has not... no country has the right to attack and thoroughly destruct any other country by its sole discretion.

[cardevsan]

Saddam started this back in 1991 with a total invasion of kuwait
so maybe the usa should just stay out of the world affairs
if we did that then

1.....everyone would be under nazi control........

2.....or worse yet communism

like it or not the usa is the world's police

this topic is useless with pacifist's
maybe we should have given saddam the chance the park a anthrax laden bomb in europe then lets see how to european community responds

and about the destruction of irag WE WILL REBUILD IT LIKE WE DID EUROPE AFTER WWII

[jv_map]

maybe we should have given saddam the chance the park a anthrax laden bomb in europe then lets see how to european community responds

tsk.... there were UN inspectors in Iraq making sure he wasn't producing any biological weaponry.. and so far it seems they have done the job right. I believe one of the few countries that's still seriously considering using anthrax in battle and developing anthrax laden weapons is the USA... and there are no international organisations that have any control over that

and about the destruction of irag WE WILL REBUILD IT LIKE WE DID EUROPE AFTER WWII

Well maybe better get starting then also I wish you good luck rebuilding those who died or got wounded there already

[cardevsan]

Rebuilding sure we will do it...about the loss of life...YES that's a shame
how many people died in iraq from saddam taking the oil for food program
and POCKETING THE MONEY AND NOT GIVING ANYTHING TO THE PEOPLE......my guess more people have died in iraq from poverty and famine caused by the LACK OF SADDAM giving a shit about anything but himself.....then have been killed in this war
MOST of the insurgents now are nothing but criminals.....

I would bet almost 90 percent of iraq now is peaceful.......We all hear about the 10 percent from the news


In short YES WAR IS HELL........

ANd JV i respect your opinion on this ...i just do not agree with it..
i had 2 friends who died in nyc from 9.11(which i know saddam had nothing to do with this)
so this kinda hits close to home

[jv_map]

Rebuilding sure we will do it...about the loss of life...YES that's a shame
how many people died in iraq from saddam taking the oil for food program
and POCKETING THE MONEY AND NOT GIVING ANYTHING TO THE PEOPLE......my guess more people have died in iraq from poverty and famine caused by the LACK OF SADDAM giving a shit about anything but himself.....then have been killed in this war

Sure Saddam was a brutal dictator and deserved to be removed from power. In itself this could be valid reason for war, but:

- it seems like a silly excuse... first frighten people with wmd's and terrorists attacks to get enough support for the war... then when neither can be proven make up other reasons for the war afterwards.

- there was no specific reason to start a war at that time... Saddam has been in power for quite a few decades and this has always been tolerated by the world (which includes the US), even during/after the gulf war of 1991.

- Iraq was not the only country led by an 'evil dictator'... however countries like North Korea weren't 'liberated of their evil leader'.

- Leadership of Iraq is a business of the Iraqi people only... you cannot attack a country solely because you disagree with the way it's lead.

Besides, the US government never really cared about the Iraqi people. After the gulf war infrastructure and medicine plants have been bombed numerous times... even today US forces are still shooting at anything that moves, civilian or not.

So it's kinda weird to approve of this war as would it benefit the Iraqi people.

I would bet almost 90 percent of iraq now is peaceful.......We all hear about the 10 percent from the news

The vast deserts are probably pretty quiet ... the huge city of bagdad to a lesser extent

ANd JV i respect your opinion on this ...i just do not agree with it..

That's cool.. and mutual. I'll keep trying to convince you though

i had 2 friends who died in nyc from 9.11(which i know saddam had nothing to do with this)
so this kinda hits close to home

Oh damn I'm truly sorry - it's never my intention to hurt you though, or put your friends in disrespect. In fact I believe the war in Iraq is making terrorist attacks only more likely, by the deep hatred it has caused towards the US in the middle-east.

Concludingly, what bothers me most about the war in Iraq, is that I'm getting the impression it is not fought for rational reasons, but for the personal benefit of Bush & co. For example, Bush is a shareholder for at least one major defense company. Also, Cheney managed to get some interesting oil contracts out of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

All in all enough reasons to doubt if the war in Iraq really was the best thing that could happen to the world, imo

[Green Beret]

u mean,they reason u voted bush was the war..what about that our polution went up to the highest its ever been since he was president,what about medi care for your grandparents.what about,the fact he flew bin ladin&family out of the US after 9/11.what about the actual labor workin people who make this country run is losing jobs due to out sourcing?

geeze,kerry should of just said he would go find bin ladin next,he would of won!!lmfao

[Mj]

An Idiot vs. a Moron?

Americans, the hardest vote of your lives...

(or am i completely wrong... )

[cardevsan]

Well i agree with you on some points so it's working..

nice thread going back and forth this morning i was up feeding my daughter anyway........(kinda hard typing with one hand..we at least the first 2 posts from me..lol)
And yea jv you have some very valid points about bush!!!!!

Bush=good(hahahahaha)
and i got my post count up too....lol(well if 20 is something)

President Bush=ok sometimes....lol

[Green Beret]

yea,we were fudged either way.together they looked like the poster board for downs syndrome


NADER!!!