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Is New Orleans recoverable?
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Anything is 'recoverable' it used to be just a swamp after all.

LA used to just be a desert with a big fault line.

Anyway, I think i heard someone say that the next decade or so is supposed to be much worse on hurricanes then our recent history... Whatever mankind builds, nature can tear asunder in one good hour.

I feel very bad for anyone who lived anywhere near there, but sympathy aside, this is what happens in certain parts of our country, and the world. We build, Nature tears down, we rebuild. In a cyclical world, its one of the few ways in which humans actualy fit into the nature of err... Nature.

The earth is alive, a big round floating ball of life in the galaxy, perhaps unique in that respect; and it is rare that this great big ball of green and blue doesnt throw some annual meteorological or geological even at us. Perhaps, if one were to approach the matter philisophicaly, it isnt such a bad thing. If nothing else, it gives us collectively a chance to help each other out, and to rebuild. After all, what do people celebrate more then the chance to come together and lend a hand in the face of disaster and adversity?

There is no realy way(aside from living entierly in buildings constructed of space age metals) to prevent nature from taking us down a notch every now and then... but what we can prevent is apathy... not just apathy towards our countrymen, but towards all the people of the world who have been made to suffer for one reason or another. As long as people care to rebuild, the rebuilding will happen.
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I feel bad for them :( and that one thing that happend in Iraq...

well I don't think that pic you put up there is funny... it'll be funny later when everything is better again but this just isn't the time.

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When people move there they know they're in hurricane central and Tornado Valley. Every 5 years the whole place floods and they need to rebuild. it shouldn't come as any big surprise that that geographical location just isnt stable for mankind with our current constructions.

But yes, it's a tragedy for sure.
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Yea, they should just make a really big wall, like a huge 'ol castle...

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If it is going to cost 25 billion to rebuild, the least they can do is dredge up some muck and rebuild the city above sea level.

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speaking of sea level, will this permanently alter it in any way? 9 feet of water doesnt just disappear...

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New Orleans is the gateway to the Mississippi river, and the gate is closed!!! A lot of the things we buy everyday travel up and down that river first, and the storm has blocked the channel with debris. Some barge traffic is still moving, but New Orleans is where they load and unload. We could wind up with some serious grain shortages around the world, because U.S. farmers can't get their crops to market. I think we are all going to feel the affects of Katrina for some time to come.
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Post by Surgeon »

Been watching CCN and BBC for the past few days - its incredible. I feel for those who have lost homes and loved ones .... but why are people running around looting anything that isn't nailed down ?? I also saw that a hospital came under fire from a sniper !! I mean WFT !!!!!!! Its total anarcy.
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As you have probably seen, Texas has offered shelter to the people of New Orleans, and with 1.3 million homeless people that is no easy task. They are already running out of room in Hoston and are now sending the buses to Dallas (near me).
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This is bigger than 911. This is anarchy in America !
It's caused me to loose confidence in the good ol USA. If Dallas gets hit with a disaster we can expect the same weak responce from our government.

Something that struck me is its very much like civil war going on there. And I know you'll think Im nuts but remember future boy, posted all that stuff about he was a time traveler? Well he said in 2005 civil war in the US would start! :shock:

I couldn't ever see that until now, he predicts the big one to happen in 2008.
Most of the US will look like New Orleans, you prepaired :wink:

And someone was right, that pic isn't very funny now. Right after it happened nobody knew what was coming.

And yeah Tom, there's 25,000 being bused here, Dallas, my first responce was "great, there goes the neighborhood" but that could be me or you. People should try to open their homes and hearts to these people seeing that the governments not stepping up like they should be! This is incredible!
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Yeah, all we need now is for Yellowstone National Park to erupt!!!
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I dont believe someone claiming publicly to be from the future. Call me stereotypical, but if that's the best he can do to warn us as opposed to say, get a select few to believe him or bring something back in his meddlings, or somehow otherwise prove he's from the future (not being recorded as born by the CIA for instance), then he's a wackjob.

It certainly is anarchy out there, and the only way to fix it is to stop beating around the bush and impose martial law. shoot on sight for looters is fine and good, by now, however, with the weaponry going on down there they need to be harsher. call me a tyrannist, but you're not going to get them to come out peacefully by talking at them or threatening. You shoot them out and make examples, or you stand around smoking waiting for another officer to fall.

thats my take on it at least.
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People loot because they are poor.

They are also moraly challenged, or mentaly lacking, or alot of things, but the one thing they have in common, or more, 'dont have' in common is money.

Rich people dont blatantly steal on such a low level(not that they dont steal ;) ) Chaos gives the lower classes an almost irresistable chance: the chance to have all the stuff that is constantly pushed at them through advertising. People working a minimum wage job(its still 6.75 in NY) cant afford a plasma screen tv, they can barely afford rent and food.

There is no real excuse for looting, it is dishonest. But I find it hard to listen to people who wil lrant and rave about looters... in america, capitalism is king, and most people wont hesitate to play the game dirty to get ahead, which usualy means being a bigger consumer of useless junk. They certainly arent likely to give those less fortunate then them a break, and i find it hard to outright demonize poor people for not giving a store owner 'a break' and leaving his goods be, when all there is to stop them is a moral. Are they so much more guilty of profiting off something distastefull then the corporate executives who make millions and billions by staffing thier companies with people who barely make enough to survive?

Civil war is what gated communities predict... The gross number and percentage of rich people is not increasing. The same can be said of the middle class... the number of poor people is increasing, the percentage of poor people likewise is increasing... Isn't a growing gap between the aristocracy and the poor, and a diminishing middle class usualy a strong incidcator of coming civil war and revolution? =p

Then again what do I know?

Oh, wait I do know one thing.... Its criminal that the state of Lousiana and the country of America, one of the richest in the world.... would leave its citizens exposed to a disaster they knew would happen one day.


PS- I think Cows are always funny!~ even if the world had jsut been destroyed by a meteor and nearly everyone killed, I would still find the sight of a cow on a huge concrete bridge where ships have piled up smashed to bits at least slightly amusing.... I mean cmon! I bet the cow is amused... or is it bemused... hmmm....
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Man, What a total disaster !!!

Hog, I been looking out for titor's civil war, I thought exactly the same as you.

But for me the really scary thing is, New Orleans total population 484,674, http://www.helloneworleans.com/Census.Cfm

Where im at its 6-7 million, the couple of silly bombs recently were peanuts, it still caused quite a bit of chaos, I cant imagine such a huge disaster, reports I read said the devastated area is size of the UK, cant imagine the whole place gone.

MY bro lives on the coast in oregon, he emailed me about the katrina disaster, he lives in a tsunami zone, he has an emergency kit, water purifier, food, .44. Still I would rather he lived more inland.

After seeing the breakdown of civilisation happen in a week in such a small place, im not sure how wise it is to be in the middle of millions

John Titor said get 3 days away from hungry people, not possible in my country I dont think, maybe the highlands of Scotland are the place to be.

I always wanted to see New Orleans too.
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