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Do you realize I meant those who take drugs for non-medical reasons?hogleg wrote:Do you relize how many millions of people lives have been saved by drugs? Do you actually think their all weak for gods sake.
Do you think someone who's nerve are freakin out that takes something to calm them down are weak, wait till it happens to you and you'll change your mind.
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for all those against drugs in fact say they offer now purpose, go home take all your rock albums..........and burn them because the artists who made them ? rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal high on drugs.
-the late great Bill Hicks r.i.p.
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i'm not f****** angry, i'm from philadelphia .
I guess i have to state it more clearly~
Personaly I DONT need to take anything to be creative, affter 28 years im comfortable enough in my ego to know that I am a creative person. The point of that bt is really that there are drugs that do enhance creativity, not that everyone who uses a drug in such a way necessarily needs to do so.
I dont regret that I have tried a number of drugs. I do regret that I am smoking cigarettes again, but that is another matter *sigh*
Personaly I DONT need to take anything to be creative, affter 28 years im comfortable enough in my ego to know that I am a creative person. The point of that bt is really that there are drugs that do enhance creativity, not that everyone who uses a drug in such a way necessarily needs to do so.
I dont regret that I have tried a number of drugs. I do regret that I am smoking cigarettes again, but that is another matter *sigh*
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No need to get offensive now, I'm sure we have our reasonsRookie One.pl wrote:Whatever. My approach is that if you need to take drugs, drink alcohol or smoke tobacco to be creative and/or get your mood high and/or calm down, you are just a WEAK person. I for one don't need any of these things to do so. That's all I've got to say.
And enjoy them
Otherwise its like saying 'Those who read books are WEAK' - its something we do, and something we enjoy doing. The fact I also read books is a non-entity. Meh, I'm confused - Its cause dinners cooking and i'm really hungry
But I may just be weak because I eat food
I never said i wasn't in favor of getting rid of alcohol or cigarettes. But to say so would be wholly unrealistic. they tried Prohibition in the 50s, it didnt work. i doubt mankind will ever be able to stop it's increase in using things that make them happy. People, as a whole, feel this illogical need to do things they shouldnt, and if it feels good to them... Then they'll never stop no matter what the cost.
In my perfect world there would BE NO alcohol or drugs, even cigarettes, on the street. And theres a reason i call it my little "perfect world". Because it won't happen in my lifetime. maybe ever.
Before the 60's (roughly), America (EDIT: And most of Europe too) was teh fastest growing, most successful, most ingenius country on Earth. Lots of people were intelligent, they worked hard, they invented more useful things in 150 years than the entire world put together from the dawn of man***. (imagine living in the Renaissance age again). Then people started declining. The school system went to route learning and forcing useless numbers and rules on it's students, narcotics became popular, and tons of other things happened to weaken the "Melting Pot of the World" into what it is today, a generally weak, slacker society filled with people who just want to socialize and hurt themselves.
imo, addictives are the worst thing to happen to man. i'd rather see World War III than the amount of drunkards, smokers, and stoners in the world that i do today.
That's my opinion, and i end my part of the debate.
***drastic overstatement, but good to make a point.
In my perfect world there would BE NO alcohol or drugs, even cigarettes, on the street. And theres a reason i call it my little "perfect world". Because it won't happen in my lifetime. maybe ever.
Before the 60's (roughly), America (EDIT: And most of Europe too) was teh fastest growing, most successful, most ingenius country on Earth. Lots of people were intelligent, they worked hard, they invented more useful things in 150 years than the entire world put together from the dawn of man***. (imagine living in the Renaissance age again). Then people started declining. The school system went to route learning and forcing useless numbers and rules on it's students, narcotics became popular, and tons of other things happened to weaken the "Melting Pot of the World" into what it is today, a generally weak, slacker society filled with people who just want to socialize and hurt themselves.
imo, addictives are the worst thing to happen to man. i'd rather see World War III than the amount of drunkards, smokers, and stoners in the world that i do today.
I wish more people thought like you Rook.Whatever. My approach is that if you need to take drugs, drink alcohol or smoke tobacco to be creative and/or get your mood high and/or calm down, you are just a WEAK person. I for one don't need any of these things to do so. That's all I've got to say.
That's my opinion, and i end my part of the debate.
***drastic overstatement, but good to make a point.
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Heh, Lizard, we may disagree on micro$oft matters, but we seem to agree in most of the important stuff. 
Mj, your comparison of drugs to books or food is highly irrevelant. Books are an information media, they can entertain and teach at the same time and they aren't addictive. Food is just fuel - everything needs it.
And I didn't want to be offensive in my last post, I just presented my own humble opinion.
Mj, your comparison of drugs to books or food is highly irrevelant. Books are an information media, they can entertain and teach at the same time and they aren't addictive. Food is just fuel - everything needs it.
And I didn't want to be offensive in my last post, I just presented my own humble opinion.
Did you know that scientist found a woman in Mongolia buried in sap that was carbon dated 14,000 years old, attached to her side was a leather bag with buds in it!
If that doesn't tell you something nothing will.
It all comes down to personal, niether side should be condemned.
Its like my Mother, bless her heart, she got a masters degree in drug counciling, she had a tremendous amount of book data but no real world experience which left her inadiquitly educated in that field. So unless you've been there done that, You don't know what the hell your talking about.
Opened a can of worms with this one. huh? Milliions of people get high, most are closet smokers .why not discuss it?
Willie Nelson said on tv that dope saved his life, got him off booze.
Rodney Dangerfield openly admited he smoked dope.
Marajuana has medicinal qualitys, How about the 1000's of people getting relief from Glocoma through marajuana? How about the relief I get when I get home from a stressfull day? Everything you do has negitive and positive effects, one must weigh it out and find a balance that works for him or her.
If that doesn't tell you something nothing will.
It all comes down to personal, niether side should be condemned.
Its like my Mother, bless her heart, she got a masters degree in drug counciling, she had a tremendous amount of book data but no real world experience which left her inadiquitly educated in that field. So unless you've been there done that, You don't know what the hell your talking about.
Opened a can of worms with this one. huh? Milliions of people get high, most are closet smokers .why not discuss it?
Willie Nelson said on tv that dope saved his life, got him off booze.
Rodney Dangerfield openly admited he smoked dope.
Marajuana has medicinal qualitys, How about the 1000's of people getting relief from Glocoma through marajuana? How about the relief I get when I get home from a stressfull day? Everything you do has negitive and positive effects, one must weigh it out and find a balance that works for him or her.
"all the governments in the world are corrupt and in the hands of the Illuminati"
hmmm.. do you actualy believe during these 'golden ages' you speak of people werent subjecting themselves to external influences?
'before the 60's'
the 60's counterculture was a response to the previous decades, ~not~ previous centuries. The roaring 20's were probably as filled with 'mind altering substances', if not more. The 60's was a chemical revolution, the more natural means of stimulation have persisted long before. Ever heard of an Opium den? Illegal drugs are not the cause of society's decline, if anything a symptom. The history of mankind is overflowing with hidden and open use of things that peopel today call a drug. I perhaps might be with you if you said that legal drugs had something to do with the decline of society. Seems every kid is on one medication or another for ADD, and most addults on prozak like drugs. Personality suppressent drugs.
From a spiritual or maybe philisophical aspect, where natural drugs are concerned, I often ask myself, why do they exist? Im not a believe in any religion, a living breathing heathen I guess... but I often wonder at divinity. The ecosystem of the world is so incredibly interdependent, be it science or spirituality, why do these plants and substances that are characterized as evil exist? I am one who can never manage to even consider the possibility that they are all just descendents of the apple in the garden of eden... forbidden fruit here to tempt us by some overly demanding diety... That prospect is far too foreign for me to comprehend. On the other hand i tend to look at nothing as completely accidental, or if anything, perhaps some things in nature are 'lucky' accidents.
To my mind, people who use drugs, and people dont, are pretty much equally likely to do something wonderfull. Often through different approaches. History has been full of both people, dont kid yourself, and as many great thinkers who never touched a foreign substance, thier counterparts are just as numerous at the very least.
'before the 60's'
the 60's counterculture was a response to the previous decades, ~not~ previous centuries. The roaring 20's were probably as filled with 'mind altering substances', if not more. The 60's was a chemical revolution, the more natural means of stimulation have persisted long before. Ever heard of an Opium den? Illegal drugs are not the cause of society's decline, if anything a symptom. The history of mankind is overflowing with hidden and open use of things that peopel today call a drug. I perhaps might be with you if you said that legal drugs had something to do with the decline of society. Seems every kid is on one medication or another for ADD, and most addults on prozak like drugs. Personality suppressent drugs.
From a spiritual or maybe philisophical aspect, where natural drugs are concerned, I often ask myself, why do they exist? Im not a believe in any religion, a living breathing heathen I guess... but I often wonder at divinity. The ecosystem of the world is so incredibly interdependent, be it science or spirituality, why do these plants and substances that are characterized as evil exist? I am one who can never manage to even consider the possibility that they are all just descendents of the apple in the garden of eden... forbidden fruit here to tempt us by some overly demanding diety... That prospect is far too foreign for me to comprehend. On the other hand i tend to look at nothing as completely accidental, or if anything, perhaps some things in nature are 'lucky' accidents.
To my mind, people who use drugs, and people dont, are pretty much equally likely to do something wonderfull. Often through different approaches. History has been full of both people, dont kid yourself, and as many great thinkers who never touched a foreign substance, thier counterparts are just as numerous at the very least.
When I am king, you will be first against the wall~
lol hog, i was trying ot watch a discovery thing on 'ice age columbus' the first real discoverers of my continent... wish discovery would show more of that stuff and less moster garage(not that i dont liek monster garage, they jsut play that stuff too much) I want to see the rest =/ Also had a program abotu a guy found in ice, though no mention of pot i think =) interesting info.hogleg wrote:Did you know that scientist found a woman in Mongolia buried in sap that was carbon dated 14,000 years old, attached to her side was a leather bag with buds in it!
If that doesn't tell you something nothing will.
It all comes down to personal, niether side should be condemned.
Its like my Mother, bless her heart, she got a masters degree in drug counciling, she had a tremendous amount of book data but no real world experience which left her inadiquitly educated in that field. So unless you've been there done that, You don't know what the hell your talking about.
Opened a can of worms with this one. huh? Milliions of people get high, most are closet smokers .why not discuss it?
Willie Nelson said on tv that dope saved his life, got him off booze.
Rodney Dangerfield openly admited he smoked dope.
Marajuana has medicinal qualitys, How about the 1000's of people getting relief from Glocoma through marajuana? How about the relief I get when I get home from a stressfull day? Everything you do has negitive and positive effects, one must weigh it out and find a balance that works for him or her.
very well said though, that is basicaly the root of the situation. To each thier own. Yes everyone whould know that everything that goes into your body will have some effect, postive negative, whatever, the laws of physics do apply to human machines as much as anything else. But the 'its bad' is not always the case, pure and simple. It is a very personal choice, and it is compeltely unfortunate that so many kids end up using drugs to compelte excess with little thought, or at times, little choice(ADD!). However, drug use as totaly bad unless its legal, is a product of PR campaigns, moreso then real analytical thought. (not sayign anyone argueing the opposite is incapable of analytical thought, or brainwashed, simply that this has been the attempt, and for most people who do not know anything abotu it either way, the standard is legal drugs are good, illegal ones are bad, which many many people vehemently disagree with, based on logical and rational thought.)
ok enough from me lol~
to each thier own.
When I am king, you will be first against the wall~
Marijuana is not a narcotic.lizardkid wrote:i've made a personal study of the topic and i can tell you right now that ALL narcotics are "bad" for you.
There has never been a death directly related to marijuana use. It is not physically addictive, and you cannot overdose on it.
More people are killed by dealer gang wars than anything else to do with marijuana.
Billions of dollars/pounds are being spent enforcing a law that arguably infringes on our freedom, and it in all aspects a pointless law to have.
Also, studies in Amsterdam show that the number of people developing heroin and cocaine addictions dropped dramatically when marijuana was decriminalized.
It can also help many people who are in pain more than many illegal substances.
Legalize it.
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I'd say Marijuana IS a narcotic (according to the definition of 'narcotic' as "(kind of drug) producing sleep, often blunting the senses and, in large doses, producing complete insensibilty [...]".)m4rine wrote: Marijuana is not a narcotic.
There has never been a death directly related to marijuana use. It is not physically addictive, and you cannot overdose on it.
I don't think that science knows a lot about weed, coz, i'd say, we (kids like me who are around 20 years old) are the first generation to make rather excessively use of it.
About the addiction and overdose: I know ppl who smoke weed like other ppl cigarettes; they aint interested in anything anymore and became real lazy... Sure, a spliff from time to time sure wont hurt
And I agree with you about legalizing it.
