I wish the UN did actualy.(which is contrary to most of my fellow americans who are campaigning to have it dissassembled)
But since America invaded Iraq without the support of the UN, in fact after a vote in the UN failed, and the UN basicaly has done nothing noteworthy since. It's pretty clear that the other countries in the UN arent interested in making it strong enough to stand up to the powerfull nations.
How old are you guys?
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yes because america needs to stop thinking it rules the world and should stop trying to get involved in other countries business. like georgia/russia, thats going on this very minute. if it gets out of hand THE UN will go in and stop it. it is not up to america to, w/o UN backing.
and ur fellow americans campaigning to get rid of the UN are stupid, quite frankly. theres not just wars that UN deal with. while they appear idle, there not. have you any idea how much money and supplies they give to aid poor, conflict stricken countries?
and ur fellow americans campaigning to get rid of the UN are stupid, quite frankly. theres not just wars that UN deal with. while they appear idle, there not. have you any idea how much money and supplies they give to aid poor, conflict stricken countries?
"We must become the change we want to see in the world" (Mahatma Gandhi)
Great pic Jack, had to save that 1. That pic is worth a million words!
I too have always believed that the US has stuck its nose where it does'nt belong! For many years is it was always in the name of stopping the spread of communism. It cost the US billions of dollars and millions of men for a cause that probably would have taken care of itself!!!
But instead we make the situation worse by making the whole world hate us.
The Iraq situation probably would have played out in its own course just like Russia.....hmmm people will recognize a better way of life all on their own, it doesn't have to be crambed down their throat.
It does seem like the American's and British have always felt the need to go to other lands and convert peoples thinking to their own, how f*cking arrogent! Well trust me not all American's believe in what the government does, were just along for the ride.
Seems like big brother is going to end up destroying the known world.
Big brother to me is this Skull & Bones society which controls the CIA, FBI and basicly the government.
I truley believe that this is the beggining of WW3, its just happening so slowly that people don't recognize it yet.
I know I said that something had to be done about Saddam but that doesn't mean us, the US. It needs to be taken care of within their own ways, not ours.
I too have always believed that the US has stuck its nose where it does'nt belong! For many years is it was always in the name of stopping the spread of communism. It cost the US billions of dollars and millions of men for a cause that probably would have taken care of itself!!!
But instead we make the situation worse by making the whole world hate us.
The Iraq situation probably would have played out in its own course just like Russia.....hmmm people will recognize a better way of life all on their own, it doesn't have to be crambed down their throat.
It does seem like the American's and British have always felt the need to go to other lands and convert peoples thinking to their own, how f*cking arrogent! Well trust me not all American's believe in what the government does, were just along for the ride.
Seems like big brother is going to end up destroying the known world.
Big brother to me is this Skull & Bones society which controls the CIA, FBI and basicly the government.
I truley believe that this is the beggining of WW3, its just happening so slowly that people don't recognize it yet.
I know I said that something had to be done about Saddam but that doesn't mean us, the US. It needs to be taken care of within their own ways, not ours.
"all the governments in the world are corrupt and in the hands of the Illuminati"
completely agree. but the US arrogance more than UK. cos all we do is suck up to US really. it woudn't happen if blair wasn't in government. he has done amazing things for this country since conservative's messed it all up. locally, and worldwide he has spent our money on great courses, AIDS causes etc.hogleg wrote:Great pic Jack, had to save that 1. That pic is worth a million words!
I too have always believed that the US has stuck its nose where it does'nt belong! For many years is it was always in the name of stopping the spread of communism. It cost the US billions of dollars and millions of men for a cause that probably would have taken care of itself!!!
But instead we make the situation worse by making the whole world hate us.
The Iraq situation probably would have played out in its own course just like Russia.....hmmm people will recognize a better way of life all on their own, it doesn't have to be crambed down their throat.
It does seem like the American's and British have always felt the need to go to other lands and convert peoples thinking to their own, how f*cking arrogent! Well trust me not all American's believe in what the government does, were just along for the ride.
Seems like big brother is going to end up destroying the known world.
Big brother to me is this Skull & Bones society which controls the CIA, FBI and basicly the government.
I truley believe that this is the beggining of WW3, its just happening so slowly that people don't recognize it yet.
I know I said that something had to be done about Saddam but that doesn't mean us, the US. It needs to be taken care of within their own ways, not ours.
but he messed up on the war. still, he pursuaded bush to at least push for 1 UN weapons inspection. but it was the UN's to protect the world and sort stuff out. not US/UK.
and if conservatives got into government things would be so bad locally. and they hate the EU, when the EU will improve European trade loads, and Europe has a lot of potential. and conservatives would ruin that.
I'm thinking something new. im thinking that Liberal Democrats should be given a chance.
"We must become the change we want to see in the world" (Mahatma Gandhi)
Hogleg, I can see what is happening now escalating out of all proprtion to the trigger that caused it ie. 9/11.
The First great war was triggered by something much less dramatic, the assasination of only one man, the Archduke, we have history books to tell us what happened to the world as a result.
The fighting the last few days in Najaf and other places, fights against Shiite Muslims that had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11 and they bore the brunt of Saddams sadism for decades, so surely these people are not the enemy, why the hell are the coalition fighting them ?
The campaign at the moment seems to be counter productive, we are killing and maiming innocents and should we be surprised when a dead mothers son takes up the call to arms ?
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the invasion the fact is that it happened, now the focus should be on sorting the place out. Theres not enough troops on the ground to effectively control the place. Another 200000 or so troops to be on patrol on every street 24 hours a day, then the insurgency might be brought under control. Theres no option of just pulling out, the job that was started really does need to be seen out to an appropriate conclusion, but someone needs to get a grip on the situation and fast as it really could be the start of something very very serious indeed
Hogleg, if you want to know some more about the secret society stuff, hunt on google for Bohemian Grove and the Bilderburg Group, also the Committee of 500 are an intersting bunch
EDIT: I almost forgot to mention John Titor, some of you may already have stumbled across the name. He was posting on a forum a couple years back, said he was from the future, sounds stupid I know, he kept up his charade over 2-3 months then disappeared after saying he was going " Back to the Future "
It sounds like total bullshit and I'm sure it is but man its an interesting read, will take a couple of hours to work through all his posts but its well worth it, I was intrigued, and in fact we are almost at the Times he specified that we would be seeing some big changes in the USA, heres a site all about him : http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/
EDIT2: heres a page with Johns posts that other site didnt show too many of them http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/the ... oject.html
The First great war was triggered by something much less dramatic, the assasination of only one man, the Archduke, we have history books to tell us what happened to the world as a result.
The fighting the last few days in Najaf and other places, fights against Shiite Muslims that had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11 and they bore the brunt of Saddams sadism for decades, so surely these people are not the enemy, why the hell are the coalition fighting them ?
The campaign at the moment seems to be counter productive, we are killing and maiming innocents and should we be surprised when a dead mothers son takes up the call to arms ?
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the invasion the fact is that it happened, now the focus should be on sorting the place out. Theres not enough troops on the ground to effectively control the place. Another 200000 or so troops to be on patrol on every street 24 hours a day, then the insurgency might be brought under control. Theres no option of just pulling out, the job that was started really does need to be seen out to an appropriate conclusion, but someone needs to get a grip on the situation and fast as it really could be the start of something very very serious indeed
Hogleg, if you want to know some more about the secret society stuff, hunt on google for Bohemian Grove and the Bilderburg Group, also the Committee of 500 are an intersting bunch
EDIT: I almost forgot to mention John Titor, some of you may already have stumbled across the name. He was posting on a forum a couple years back, said he was from the future, sounds stupid I know, he kept up his charade over 2-3 months then disappeared after saying he was going " Back to the Future "
It sounds like total bullshit and I'm sure it is but man its an interesting read, will take a couple of hours to work through all his posts but its well worth it, I was intrigued, and in fact we are almost at the Times he specified that we would be seeing some big changes in the USA, heres a site all about him : http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/
EDIT2: heres a page with Johns posts that other site didnt show too many of them http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/the ... oject.html
Philip II of Macedon sent a message to Sparta:
"If I win this war, you will be slaves forever."
The Spartan ephors sent back a one word reply: "If".
"If I win this war, you will be slaves forever."
The Spartan ephors sent back a one word reply: "If".
No, it only took about 20 minutes, I use a text to speech program and do chores while reading. 
Well so much for John Titor's predictions, eh?
It's Aug of 2004 and no sign of civil war. Can't really see that brewing up in the next 16 months.
Diffently some interesting stuff, they guy was no idiot.
Maybe a really good scammer.
Man, the more I read on future boy (John Titor) its pretty weird.
He mentions this place for what lead to the gravity discovery.
http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/cesium/parcs.htm
Well so much for John Titor's predictions, eh?
It's Aug of 2004 and no sign of civil war. Can't really see that brewing up in the next 16 months.
Diffently some interesting stuff, they guy was no idiot.
Maybe a really good scammer.
Man, the more I read on future boy (John Titor) its pretty weird.
He mentions this place for what lead to the gravity discovery.
http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/cesium/parcs.htm
"all the governments in the world are corrupt and in the hands of the Illuminati"
Johns story is really interesting.
Yeah now is the timeframe where we should see signs of the civil war. We still are only halfway through 2004, so theres still time yet.
With the heigtened terrorist alerts at the moment I wouldnt be that surprised if we do see a Waco style stand off with some group or other.
If that does happen in the near future it would be wise to follox events and see where they lead in the coming months, lets hope it does not go how John predicts.
Yeah now is the timeframe where we should see signs of the civil war. We still are only halfway through 2004, so theres still time yet.
With the heigtened terrorist alerts at the moment I wouldnt be that surprised if we do see a Waco style stand off with some group or other.
If that does happen in the near future it would be wise to follox events and see where they lead in the coming months, lets hope it does not go how John predicts.
Philip II of Macedon sent a message to Sparta:
"If I win this war, you will be slaves forever."
The Spartan ephors sent back a one word reply: "If".
"If I win this war, you will be slaves forever."
The Spartan ephors sent back a one word reply: "If".
To me it's a shame that all this money, energy and effort has to be directed to violence and war. We have the potential to advance the entire globe , (and other planets) with technologies that are being shelved for weapon advancement. It's sad. 
Someone spoke of American arrogance, We as a people have alot to be proud of and even arrogent. We have a machine or system that has produced the most advancements in the last 100 years.
Hell, what were on right now,the PC, Steve jobs, Wozniack, Gates (thief), Tim Burners Lee:Inventor of the WWW. Landed on the frickin moon!
I think it's a great country we just should use more descreision when choosing to go to war. So you say "well ur for Bush, right"?
Yep, I believe that wars that were fighting the spread of communism were wrong and we had no business being there. Korea, Veitnam even Desert storm which is why the twin towers got bombed!
But if my country starts getting bombed and innicent people are end up dead, I expect my country to do something about it and I don't mean kinda do something I mean all out, and Im pretty convinced that Saddam and Osama were mutual pals when it came to hating the US, duh..Desert storm we humilated Saddam and at the same time violated sacrid Arab land.
I think George was forced to cleaning up what his Dad started .
Someone in an earlier post declared that this war had nothing to do with oil, Okay what was our motive to protect Kawate? And why did Saddam blow up all the oil rigs while retreating?
They just waited till a Bush was back in office for revenge.
Sry bout duh spellin, me spel chk has a bug .
Someone spoke of American arrogance, We as a people have alot to be proud of and even arrogent. We have a machine or system that has produced the most advancements in the last 100 years.
Hell, what were on right now,the PC, Steve jobs, Wozniack, Gates (thief), Tim Burners Lee:Inventor of the WWW. Landed on the frickin moon!
I think it's a great country we just should use more descreision when choosing to go to war. So you say "well ur for Bush, right"?
Yep, I believe that wars that were fighting the spread of communism were wrong and we had no business being there. Korea, Veitnam even Desert storm which is why the twin towers got bombed!
But if my country starts getting bombed and innicent people are end up dead, I expect my country to do something about it and I don't mean kinda do something I mean all out, and Im pretty convinced that Saddam and Osama were mutual pals when it came to hating the US, duh..Desert storm we humilated Saddam and at the same time violated sacrid Arab land.
I think George was forced to cleaning up what his Dad started .
Someone in an earlier post declared that this war had nothing to do with oil, Okay what was our motive to protect Kawate? And why did Saddam blow up all the oil rigs while retreating?
They just waited till a Bush was back in office for revenge.
Sry bout duh spellin, me spel chk has a bug .
"all the governments in the world are corrupt and in the hands of the Illuminati"
Iraq is a war for morale.
No one can make a fact based arguement that Saddam had anything to do with bin laden - but Bush couldnt, and still hasnt, gotten Ossama. What Iraq is guilty of when paired with Al quaida is the crime of sheltering terrorists. Ok, lets play a game - name all the other countries who are also guilty of the same. For a fun and extra credit, put a star next to the names of the ones who are US allies.
I have no problem with deposing tyraanical dictarors. Hell I say, if we have the most dominant military the world has ever seen, what better purpose could we put it to? Hang em' High and let the masses F' up thier own countries for a while. Problem is, thats not what were about, you know - freedom and justice for all. We really dont care about that. We do care a good deal for our dominance and revenge on anyone who dares challenge us. Problem is, Ossama is one slick snake. We conquered aphganistan and didnt find him. Had his lieutenants trapped fro mtime to time, with nothing to show usualy. Basicaly, its a long hard job, and awful for public relations.
But wait... Iraq... thats a horse of a different color. An enemy we have whupped in the past, and badly at that. The guy is a jerk, no one likes him, who will care if we go kick his butt again? The people will love it. Nothing is better for a presidents approval rating then a war. The people have a hard time unseating a sitting regime while thier is a war or threats of war on the horizon. Hunting terrorist cells is not a war - not as far as the public is concerned, and even the best spin doctors cant make it into something its not.
So war it is. Not a bad thing when you consider who's butt were kicking. 9/11 is fading. the war is on, then it is 'over' and the republicans are geared up to defend the war verses an anti war contender(Dean) But WAIT! Dean is dead, Kerry is in, and hes a war hero. Hmm... bush... cant even prove he actualy served his time in the national guard.... wait a second... not looking so hot from the pr perspective for the GOP eh? I mean all this started under bush(not really - its jsut coincidence, but this is the mass public were talking about) and he still hasnt foudn the guys who did it - and he's not a military guy. Switch gears - bash kerry, call him a coward and a fake.
Some facts you might not know about the anti kerry military ads.
- no one from his boat crews are involved. Not ONE soldier who served under him on a boat.
-one of its few fact based items comes from an affidavit sworn by his former commander, who has since recanted, and stated that he lied. He has apologized for his actions saying he was wrong.
-the groups sponsoring the ads have been after kerry since just after the war, and are financed by big GOP contributors from texas(i think texas, cant mremebr the state).
-when bush fought mcaine in the primaries last time, in a key state his victory was partialy due to rumors that were circulated by unknown parties. The rumors? That mcaine, while he was a POW, had collaborated with the enemy. There is no proof, and not a shred of evidence of that.
-Mcaine has called the ads agaisnt kerry a disgrace, and wishes the white house would do the same.
Propaganda is the name of the game - and the incubent and his party, are loaded with cash for ads.
No one can make a fact based arguement that Saddam had anything to do with bin laden - but Bush couldnt, and still hasnt, gotten Ossama. What Iraq is guilty of when paired with Al quaida is the crime of sheltering terrorists. Ok, lets play a game - name all the other countries who are also guilty of the same. For a fun and extra credit, put a star next to the names of the ones who are US allies.
I have no problem with deposing tyraanical dictarors. Hell I say, if we have the most dominant military the world has ever seen, what better purpose could we put it to? Hang em' High and let the masses F' up thier own countries for a while. Problem is, thats not what were about, you know - freedom and justice for all. We really dont care about that. We do care a good deal for our dominance and revenge on anyone who dares challenge us. Problem is, Ossama is one slick snake. We conquered aphganistan and didnt find him. Had his lieutenants trapped fro mtime to time, with nothing to show usualy. Basicaly, its a long hard job, and awful for public relations.
But wait... Iraq... thats a horse of a different color. An enemy we have whupped in the past, and badly at that. The guy is a jerk, no one likes him, who will care if we go kick his butt again? The people will love it. Nothing is better for a presidents approval rating then a war. The people have a hard time unseating a sitting regime while thier is a war or threats of war on the horizon. Hunting terrorist cells is not a war - not as far as the public is concerned, and even the best spin doctors cant make it into something its not.
So war it is. Not a bad thing when you consider who's butt were kicking. 9/11 is fading. the war is on, then it is 'over' and the republicans are geared up to defend the war verses an anti war contender(Dean) But WAIT! Dean is dead, Kerry is in, and hes a war hero. Hmm... bush... cant even prove he actualy served his time in the national guard.... wait a second... not looking so hot from the pr perspective for the GOP eh? I mean all this started under bush(not really - its jsut coincidence, but this is the mass public were talking about) and he still hasnt foudn the guys who did it - and he's not a military guy. Switch gears - bash kerry, call him a coward and a fake.
Some facts you might not know about the anti kerry military ads.
- no one from his boat crews are involved. Not ONE soldier who served under him on a boat.
-one of its few fact based items comes from an affidavit sworn by his former commander, who has since recanted, and stated that he lied. He has apologized for his actions saying he was wrong.
-the groups sponsoring the ads have been after kerry since just after the war, and are financed by big GOP contributors from texas(i think texas, cant mremebr the state).
-when bush fought mcaine in the primaries last time, in a key state his victory was partialy due to rumors that were circulated by unknown parties. The rumors? That mcaine, while he was a POW, had collaborated with the enemy. There is no proof, and not a shred of evidence of that.
-Mcaine has called the ads agaisnt kerry a disgrace, and wishes the white house would do the same.
Propaganda is the name of the game - and the incubent and his party, are loaded with cash for ads.
When I am king, you will be first against the wall~
Today I have been reading up and watching videos concerning the New World Order. The Bohemian Grove stuff got me looking a little deeper.
I believe the 9/11 was made to happen for the governments agenda of making the population agree to the coming police state, not agree BEG would be a better word for it.
After the Oklahoma bombing in which McVeigh didnt even detonate the bomb ( bombs ?) it has been narrowed down to a member of the Iraqi Republican Guard who was arrested with bomb making equipment in his bag but Clinton personally ordered that he be released and go about his business.
9/11 was known about beforehand and everystep of the way coulda been stopped as suspicions were raised but at every chance to stop it the government stopped all investigations and let the guys carry on with their job, what could possibly be the reasoning behind this ?
I am converting a video I downloaded off kazaa, and before anyone mentions piracy the movie is related to michael moore who positively advocates file sharing ( if I lent you my copy of the movie on DVD would that be a criminal act ? ) anyways, it has this interview with the guy that impeached Clinton, man its fascinating stuff, when the movie is converted I will post some clips from it as the whole thing is too much for my webspace.
The world is a crazy place and the guys in power are trying to f**k all of us over, wonder where this crazy stuff will end ?
Give me a couple hours to convert some clips and then we can argue the finer points
ps. Johns vision seems more an more probable as the day goes on
pps. I also noted that the guys on the ad had their own agenda in making the anti Kerry ad, on first viewing I just assumed that they fought with him closely and that he had lied about his achievements, thats how the ad comes across, I now know their criticisms are out of malice because of his waste of life in Vietnam stance, which really should be commended as history shows it was in fact a waste of life.
I believe the 9/11 was made to happen for the governments agenda of making the population agree to the coming police state, not agree BEG would be a better word for it.
After the Oklahoma bombing in which McVeigh didnt even detonate the bomb ( bombs ?) it has been narrowed down to a member of the Iraqi Republican Guard who was arrested with bomb making equipment in his bag but Clinton personally ordered that he be released and go about his business.
9/11 was known about beforehand and everystep of the way coulda been stopped as suspicions were raised but at every chance to stop it the government stopped all investigations and let the guys carry on with their job, what could possibly be the reasoning behind this ?
I am converting a video I downloaded off kazaa, and before anyone mentions piracy the movie is related to michael moore who positively advocates file sharing ( if I lent you my copy of the movie on DVD would that be a criminal act ? ) anyways, it has this interview with the guy that impeached Clinton, man its fascinating stuff, when the movie is converted I will post some clips from it as the whole thing is too much for my webspace.
The world is a crazy place and the guys in power are trying to f**k all of us over, wonder where this crazy stuff will end ?
Give me a couple hours to convert some clips and then we can argue the finer points
ps. Johns vision seems more an more probable as the day goes on
pps. I also noted that the guys on the ad had their own agenda in making the anti Kerry ad, on first viewing I just assumed that they fought with him closely and that he had lied about his achievements, thats how the ad comes across, I now know their criticisms are out of malice because of his waste of life in Vietnam stance, which really should be commended as history shows it was in fact a waste of life.
Philip II of Macedon sent a message to Sparta:
"If I win this war, you will be slaves forever."
The Spartan ephors sent back a one word reply: "If".
"If I win this war, you will be slaves forever."
The Spartan ephors sent back a one word reply: "If".
M4rine, the UK has been on their hitlist, who do you think funded the IRA throughout most of their campaign ? Gerry Adams used to go to lunch at the Whitehouse, fact !
I am having probs converting the clips from the movie I mentioned earlier, still trying to sort it out, some amazing facts that show everything is not as it seems.
The CIA didnt only train Bin Laden they funded him and together with Pakistan brought the Taliban to power.
The Bush and Bin Laden families have been working together for around 50 years, they are both major shareholders in the worlds largest defence contractor, so who is benefitting from the current chaos and the HUGE boosts to military spending ?
Why does the USA now need to push forward ID cards while your borders are wide open, are the US people terrorists ? After the Oklahoma bombing the FBI received a huge cash injection to stop it happening again so why didnt they stop 9/11 ?
Its a big load of crap to make the population scared and then give up your personal liberties and right to privacy.
When Hitler was elected to power first thing he did was burn down the Reichstag which he blamed on the opposition, so thousands were rounded up and muredered, anyone that didnt agree was a criminal.
9/11 was much the same, it was allowed to happen, they had full knowledge of the attack but let it happen to scare the public into thinking they need SAVING by a government which then enables them to get rid of the freedoms the USA is meant to hold so dear, with a scared population they dont argue back when their liberties are taken away as they think losing these rights will protect them.
Pearl Harbour was known about, Oklahoma was known about, 9/11 was known about, all these things are just ways to get the population to follow like sheep to the slaughter.
The UK is now trying to push through compulsory ID cards, we also made a similar law to the US Patriot act, where for no apparant reason and with no evidence you can be locked away indefinitely.
Now that has got to be WRONG no matter which way you look at it.
Benjamin Franklin had the right words for what is going on now:
"THEY WHO WOULD GIVE UP AN ESSENTIAL LIBERTY FOR TEMPORARY SECURITY, DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY OR SECURITY"
The UK government also want us to pay ?40 for the privelidge of an ID card. Heres what will happen a few years from now:
So im walking down the street minding my own business, a thought cop stops me and asks me who I am and may he see my papers, I say have I done anything wrong ? He says no, so I say you dont need to know my name then or see my ID, but the new laws state I MUST tell him who I am and what my business is even though he admitted I have done nothing wrong, if I still decline to tell him I can be locked up forever for nothing at all !!!!
Its BIG BROTHER all the frickin way and I am not at all happy about it
I am having probs converting the clips from the movie I mentioned earlier, still trying to sort it out, some amazing facts that show everything is not as it seems.
The CIA didnt only train Bin Laden they funded him and together with Pakistan brought the Taliban to power.
The Bush and Bin Laden families have been working together for around 50 years, they are both major shareholders in the worlds largest defence contractor, so who is benefitting from the current chaos and the HUGE boosts to military spending ?
Why does the USA now need to push forward ID cards while your borders are wide open, are the US people terrorists ? After the Oklahoma bombing the FBI received a huge cash injection to stop it happening again so why didnt they stop 9/11 ?
Its a big load of crap to make the population scared and then give up your personal liberties and right to privacy.
When Hitler was elected to power first thing he did was burn down the Reichstag which he blamed on the opposition, so thousands were rounded up and muredered, anyone that didnt agree was a criminal.
9/11 was much the same, it was allowed to happen, they had full knowledge of the attack but let it happen to scare the public into thinking they need SAVING by a government which then enables them to get rid of the freedoms the USA is meant to hold so dear, with a scared population they dont argue back when their liberties are taken away as they think losing these rights will protect them.
Pearl Harbour was known about, Oklahoma was known about, 9/11 was known about, all these things are just ways to get the population to follow like sheep to the slaughter.
The UK is now trying to push through compulsory ID cards, we also made a similar law to the US Patriot act, where for no apparant reason and with no evidence you can be locked away indefinitely.
Now that has got to be WRONG no matter which way you look at it.
Benjamin Franklin had the right words for what is going on now:
"THEY WHO WOULD GIVE UP AN ESSENTIAL LIBERTY FOR TEMPORARY SECURITY, DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY OR SECURITY"
The UK government also want us to pay ?40 for the privelidge of an ID card. Heres what will happen a few years from now:
So im walking down the street minding my own business, a thought cop stops me and asks me who I am and may he see my papers, I say have I done anything wrong ? He says no, so I say you dont need to know my name then or see my ID, but the new laws state I MUST tell him who I am and what my business is even though he admitted I have done nothing wrong, if I still decline to tell him I can be locked up forever for nothing at all !!!!
Its BIG BROTHER all the frickin way and I am not at all happy about it
Philip II of Macedon sent a message to Sparta:
"If I win this war, you will be slaves forever."
The Spartan ephors sent back a one word reply: "If".
"If I win this war, you will be slaves forever."
The Spartan ephors sent back a one word reply: "If".
yes and that was awful. i still hate the US (no offence guys) for that. the IRA were ruthless, and our soldiers we out there dying to protect a small bit of land, which we would happilly give to Ireland, if the ppl in the small bit of land (northern Ireland for thos who don't know) didn't want to stay with us...M4rine, the UK has been on their hitlist, who do you think funded the IRA throughout most of their campaign ? Gerry Adams used to go to lunch at the Whitehouse, fact !
tha was a real mess, and our allies were funding it. hell, the world is messed up innit?
"We must become the change we want to see in the world" (Mahatma Gandhi)