Hunt the Boeing !

Zip · Post by **Zip** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 1:30 pm

The moon landings, I have studied the pics, they are not from the moon.

I find that extremely funny. Do you really think the moon landing was faked? Why on earth (excuse the pun) would the USA want to fake a moon landing? What could they possibly gain from this? How do you explain all the things we have put in space, such as satellites and probes? If it is possible to launch into space it is surely possible to go one step further and land on the moon!? What about the landings on Mars (not people i know, but surley if you can put a machine on Mars then you can certainly put a human on the moon)?

Which photos exactly have you examined? Were they provided by NASA or did you look at them on the internet? It is possible the photos you have looked at may have been edited!

Jack Ruby · Post by **Jack Ruby** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 2:21 pm

Becuase we can send metal somewhere has no bearing at all on sending a human into the void.

I cant admit to knowing why they faked the landing, maybe something was sent there, my point is the photo's are edited, they are not from the moon,

There are pics that show rocks throwing two shadows in different directions, the astronauts had no extra light sources ( floodlamps ) the only source of illumination was the sun so unless we have two suns the rocks shouldnt throw two shadows.

Also theres a famous pic with a guy climbing down from the lander, he is in the shadow side of the vehicle, his back is superbly lit for our viewing pleasure yet as theres no atmoshphere on the moon things in shadow stay in shadow, there must have been another light source to produce these effects...

I dont claim to have all the answers but the pics from the moon landings are certainly not real, also the radiation issues keep me from swallowing the story, humans cant survive in the void.

I cant remember where I first heard this story but I feel theres more evidence pointing to NO THEY DIDNT GO. I would be impressed if they made it and my mind could be changed with good evidence.

I just found a couple sites with some of the optical problems with the pics..

http://www.think-aboutit.com/Moon/dark_ ... ndings.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/3543/apia.htm#Top

What was happening in the world in 1969? Well, the US had just changed it's underwear after the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Space Race was well and truly under way.

The Russians had already beaten the US by putting the first object in orbit, the first man in space, the first spacewalk and the first manmade object on the moon. The Americans were lagging well behind.

President Kennedy had declared that America would put a man on the moon - at almost any cost. And he was determined to beat the Russians to it.

It seems the USA had a huge amount to gain from the moon landings, maybe they went maybe they didnt, but surely its not a closed case, YET !

Zip · Post by **Zip** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 2:31 pm

You really are a funny guy! Still, everyone's different and that's what makes life so interesting.

Have you looked at the NASA website? There's an article about the hoax issue, but I'm sure you'll have plenty to say about that too.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree

Jack Ruby · Post by **Jack Ruby** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 2:38 pm

We dont have to disagree, I am not 100% convinced about either side of the issue. I just dont know.

Hopefully though you may look at the images of the moon landings with a slightly more critical eye, theres problems with them, thats the main point I am trying to make, maybe men went to the moon but the pics we have are certainly not the ones they took whilst there.

ps. heres the nasa site with their side of the argument..

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23feb_2.htm

Zip · Post by **Zip** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:11 pm

Hold on, you sound a little unsure now!

You clearly said .....

The moon landings, I have studied the pics, they are not from the moon.

And now you say ....

We dont have to disagree, I am not 100% convinced about either side of the issue. I just dont know.

Which is it?

I've looked at those pictures, and I'm not convinced there is anything wrong with them. Even the picture of the trees shows some slightly different shadow angles! You have to remember the eye isn't all that good at seeing things cleary. By that I would draw your attention to all those optical illusions we are all so familair with. You know, lines that look longer than others but are in fact exactly the same length, etc.

Just out of interest, what else do you think is bogus?

Jack Ruby · Post by **Jack Ruby** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:21 pm

Theres no dilemna in my answer, I still dont think the pics were taken on the moon. Maybe they got there, maybe they didnt but the pics were not taken there. Thats my opinion, of course it would be very hard to choose if they did or didnt, for now I just dont know, maybe never will. The pic anomolies are one factor the radiation problems are another factor, I am still not convinced by either argument but I think its good to not take things at face value.

Just because you are told "It is so" a thousand times, does not necessarily mean it actually is so, propaganda is a very powerful tool.

I still have major problems with Darwinian Evolution

If Darwin is correct then Caucasians are more evolved than Negroes, seeing that they stayed in the same enviroment for thousands of years while caucasian ancestors had to evolve and adapt to new enviroments in Europe.

Therefore caucasians must be more highly evolved, I am pretty sure this argument was used by the Nazi's.

Darwin or God ? I dont know, neither theory convinces me

Zip · Post by **Zip** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:47 pm

I agree, it is always good to have a different opinion to others. You remind me of one of my friends from when i was at uni, he had similar ideas to yours.

If I ever get rich enough (or it gets cheap enough), I'll take you to the moon and we can sort this out for good

m4rine · Post by **m4rine** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:48 pm

its all very confusing

but in the moon landing on tv wasnt the flag blowing in the [COUGH, Cough] wind? what wind? The moon don't have any wind, its got no atmosphere, no oxygen let alone wind.

Sounds like the USA just wanted to beat Russia to me.

Zip · Post by **Zip** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:55 pm

but in the moon landing on tv wasnt the flag blowing in the [COUGH, Cough] wind? what wind? The moon don't have any wind, its got no atmosphere, no oxygen let alone wind.

That's explained on the NASA website

http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/News/2001/ ... anding.asp

Jack Ruby · Post by **Jack Ruby** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 4:08 pm

The wind thing, I read their explanation,

I wonder how much inertia can be held by the piece of cloth, surely as theres no air to make the flag wave, on the last twist of the pole the flag would continue to move in the direction the pole was twisted, therefore wrapping itself around the pole,
as was described a body in motion will continue in that direction unless another force acted upon it. So which invisible force caused the flag to change direction after the last twist ?????

It should have wrapped itself around the pole but it clearly flutters ????

m4rine · Post by **m4rine** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 4:16 pm

mmm........... I dont trust NASA.

Zip · Post by **Zip** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 4:21 pm

So which invisible force caused the flag to change direction after the last twist ?????

Simple, the space men

They wouldn't go to all that trouble and let the flag get wrapped up! You can clearly see one of the men holding the flag.

Jack Ruby · Post by **Jack Ruby** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 4:30 pm

That would be the obvious answer, why does the nasa site go on to explain that it was rippling after they planted it ? I have not seen the video so I dont know if it continues to flutter after they take their hands off, but from the nasa explanation I would assume that it continues to move after they let go....

"On the Moon, there was no air to stop the flag's motion, so it continued, just as Newton's First Law of physics says it should. So of course the cloth flag waved and rippled beneath the metal rod holding it out."

Newtons first law would make the flag travel in the direction of the last force acting upon it,

I would have straightened it out

Zip · Post by **Zip** » Sat Aug 09, 2003 4:33 pm

I wonder if there is a video clip available of the landing somewhere? I've looked but no luck yet.

Check out this clip though (bottom of screen), right up your street Ruby

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http://www.moontruth.com/

Jack Ruby · Post by **Jack Ruby** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 12:48 am

I liked that movie

Anyways I think we have studied the moon enough now.

What about Bohemian Grove, now thats scary, not even sure I should be mentioning it, maybe theres an internet keyword tracker thats looks for those words

Really, take a quick look on google for it, something is amiss