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Yeah, enough moon talk. At least we know for sure it is made of cheese!

Bohemian Grove?? Not familiar with that, what is it?

The Bohemian Grove is like a summer camp, though not of the tent kind.

Its in the woods north of San Francisco I think, well thereabouts.

The leaders of the western world meet there,

All the USA's past present and future presidents attend the summer meeting.

Sounds strange but the USA's presidents for the next 20-30 yrs are already chosen, if you hunt around you can find pics of them all eating at the same table at the Grove.

There is also a huge statue of an Owl, the Owl is a symbol of Moloch, not sure if he is the devil but certainly he is a Major Demon

All the attendants dress up in outfits similar to Ku Klux Klan outfits, they then sacrifice babies and others to Moloch on a burning altar in front of the Owl.

Dont believe me ??

Do a little research and you will be amazed at what you will find out about the place and the attendants.

Now this is not idle speculation about flapping flags on the moon, these are the leaders of our world, its quite scary really

Now you really have lost your mind

If that were the case, and I'm sure it isn't, and it was so commonly known, why doesn't someone arrest them?

Who would you get to arrest the President ???

Hey dont take my word for it, do some research on the Grove yourself, you may be suprprised,

there is a certain amount of evidence of the sacrifices, but the dressing up and worshipping Moloch is beyond doubt, its a stone cold fact

And its not so commonly known, as you said yourself you hadnt heard of the Grove.

Also because someone tells you the world does not work the way you thought it did, it does not give you the right to throw abuse around, I am not delusional, maybe I just read more than you

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/bohemiangrove.html

I never throwed abuse at you! I'm not that sort of person. If i say you've lost your mind, i mean it in a playful way, that's all mate If you didn't see it that way, then i apologise.

You may read more than me, but remember not everything you read is necessarily true. As for arresting the president, the police would do it! What if the president murdered someone, he'd get arrested, so why should this be any different? Just because he runs the country doesn't make him immune from the law!

Maybe you want the world to be all messed up and believe what you want to hear? Maybe i want to believe the world is an ok place? Of course there must be some unpleasant things going on we're not supposed to know about, but the grove thing is just ridiculous.

I think we'll call this subject closed. No hard feelings.

No offence taken man

But what part of the Grove thing dont you believe ? The sacrifices are hard to reckon I understand that, the rest of it.........

All the presidents meeting, including other bigwig world figures, its a fact they all attend the meetings,

Its also a fact they dress up like crazy people and worship a stone Owl, this stuff is fact, the people in question readily admit it.

Ok, so now you and me have to go to the moon and this grove thing. Hehe Wonder how we get an invite?

Jack is not far off the truth on the grove stuff based on observations made by various individuals over the past forty years or so. I think the
bottom line is ......like many countries..... many of the powerful influential people of a given country(s) tend to gather for social affairs that are off limits. No different really then any society/club a group of people set up for socializing etc.. At any rate, based on what we read at some of these
web sites.................seems to be the easiest way to obtain info on these various secret societies etc., one can find some details as to how these
private functions operate. Both President Bush's for instance are members of the Skull And Bones Fraternity located a Yale University.
For many years there was little or no mention of this Frat, until one person
went public, then a few girl friends and later wifes to these members (those belonging to the Frat), infiltrated the Frat house etc., and obtained information that was then made public in the form of a book and detailed at various web sites etc.. In general none of this stuff is new. Similiar
organization are known to exist in some European countries that function
much in the same way as those in the USA.
As far as people like Henry Kissinger etc., attending the Groove events in California, I forget where they actually meet, but there are no woods north of San Francisco, unless one is speaking about the area north of the Golden Gate bridge.
As far as the play acting described to happen at those dinner events....whatever, I think it is a bit silly to think that these folks are worshiping anything at these events. They most probably are just play acting. As far as all the future presidents attending this social event,
I don't think this should be taken as some form of conspiracy issue.

Was Bill Clinton and Harry S. Truman for instance members of this club?
I President Harry Truman never set foot on the property that these events take place at.

Lastly, as mentioned, the Skull and Bones Frat at Yale is a known to be true. It is a very powerful organization that practically governs how Yale operates etc.. In this case at least one book was written about it.
I for one am a bit carefull about just accepting what I read at some internet sites as being true. There is so much incorrect, misguided info,
and deliberately doctored info on the world wide web created for various
reasons, other then broadcasting the truth about something.
Web sites come a go, books tend to stay available over a period of time.

But what Jack found out about this organization (via. web sites) is probably not to far off. Check out the sites he referenced, I have not done so, since I had prior info on the subject, and see for yourselves
if what he introduced is to far fetched or not.

chow

Thanks for yoru input grb, its always welcome.

When I said every President, I meant every Republican President, every one has been a member of the Bohemian Club since Calvin Coolidge.

The internet can be a good resource but its a long way from being my number 1 source. I read a lot of books, all kinds of stuff, weird stuff similar to this discussion also novels, history, geology, physics and philosophy ( only a little but I like Kant's ideas ).

A lot of things may seem far fetched but the truth is almost always stranger than fiction

Just kidding, for those USA registered Republicans (I am one) or those that vote for that party's candidates on occasions....whatever.

Jack I just have a hard time believing some of the stuff that the site you
referenced had to say about what happens at the Bohemian Club affairs.
I think the Owl bit is something that was thought up a long time ago, to
represent something the club stands for (I don't think it is the Philistinina God called Molach etc.). It could represent anything. It could indicate
just for instance, "vigilence" where an owl has very keen eyesite, whatever. Most of the recent U.S.A Republican presidents are Christians who make public their believe in God etc. It is hard to believe they would want to be involved with such things as mentioned at the referenced site.

Just as the Skull and Bones Fraternity has a picture of skull and bones in their Fraternity house, and the new Frat members sit around talking about their sexual exploitations etc., I think the owl symbol is simply a symbol.

Whatever. Now who is going to find the missing Boeing 727 that was stolen from an Angolian Airport, with modifications for hold large tanks
of gasoline etc.? This one sounds pretty suspicous, a super flying bomb!
I am sure most of you have heard the news on this one. I bet some
terrorist organization stole the aircraft with the intentions of using it as a flying bomb. The USA, World News today indicated that the plane had all its seats stripped and tanks for holding liguids replaced them. Sounds like a deliberate case of creating a flying bomb. Supposedly the plane has been sitting on a runway at that Angolian airport for about a year. Then
a day or so ago as it seems by the news to indicate, someone simply boarded it and flew away!

Lastly I did not mention that I while at Westinghouse AeroSpace/Defense had worked in a Semiconductor Failure Analysis Lab during the time the first moon shots went up. And...it just happens to be a fact that just prior to the first flight.......we received a failed operational amplifier, a small can with nine leads where the can was about the size of a very large pea.
Bottom line is I was asked to perform an analysis on the OPA, to find out why it failed. It came from the Lunar Lander Modules main onboard backup camera system. All kinds of priorities where given for this failed part to be analyised above all the other incoming failed parts. It was about a week before the lift off if I remember correctly. So why the big
hallabaloo for having a failed part examined if the moon landing was really a hoax? After all it was the backup camera system not the main one. Was this all a part of an extremely clever and thought out plan to make it appear that the space craft actually flew to the moon? Figuring some thirty years later I would make note of this particular happening?

Incidentally, the part failed becuase it had what we called the "Purple Plague", which was a form of contamination, where Nitride materials somehow left on the semiconductors surface due to poor processing techniques end up adhering to contact areas on the semiconductor surface adjacent to connecting lands (monolithic wires that are the
interconnections between the transistors...........and to put it short, it
produced a short between two paths that should have remained highly
isoloated (no current flow between the two areas), those producing the
failure. But the point again is why did NASA put a priority on this part
to be checked out if indeed the flight really did not happen.

One thing no one has mentioned......where did those space craft go for those two week plus periods once launched? There where an alwful lot
of people outside of NASA proper that witnessed those space flight launches. Would the Russians or other countries keeping track of where the rocket and space craft flew to etc., have noticed something out of order if the space craft did not actually land on the moon?

But like Zip indicated we all know that the moon is made of Cheese, I think he meant Swiss Cheese as the adadage goes, so perhaps that topic has been dropped.

Lastly, I forgot to answer Alcoholic's question of how old I am.
I am fifty six.............and getting younger.......ouch that leg hurts, man
I can't type two thousand words a second anymore....ha ha. It gets
tough. Don't get old.


chow


chow