ATI VS NVIDIA

[lizardkid]

no, im sure you didn't ziptie, but i miht have.

come to it, it's probbly the the difference between Ford and Chevy, different usage really, and preference. iv noticed Ford's more in-town useful, and Chevy (the older ones mind you) are better mountainside competitors.

ok, i apologize to any "Radeon all the way" fans out there, there might not be much difference between them, but i won't take Radeon if posible.

btw, i just got a wonderful comp, top of the line everything.
120 GB HD, flat screen LCD, 1.x GB RAM, Nvida something (ill look at the manual later and give you the specs for Nvida) etc etc etc.

[ziptie2k2]

Cool deal on getting the pc, good luck with it. And I dont begrudge you for being a nvidia fan, as they make great stuff. And I agree totally with the ford vs chevy thing. Have a great day, and thanks for putting up with me

There is no need for any apologies, cause opinions are supposed to be voiced. Heck thats what debate class is for. You deffinately didnt make an enemy with, especially over this subject.

[M&M]

cool,some1 has bumbed back this topic

I had a look at tomshardware and the bench said what I should do. I hope I dont regret it.

well,thats what i based my opinions on .i saw that radeon cards outperformed nvidea cards in most games by quite alot.however older nvidea cards ruled that era .

I just bought a Radeon 9200 128mb vid card and a fan, i have heard that NVIDIA and ATI are pretty close, but that the ATI you 'get more for your money'...

same reason that turned me from a loyal nvidia worshipper into a confused guy .i bought the radeon 9200 (64 mbs) and its the same as geforce 4 mx 440( 64mbs).until a couple of weeks ago i thought they were the same until i came along prince of persia:the sands of time (its a game ) which has the recommended video card as nvidia however it says in the readme that geforce 4 MX CARDS NOT SUPPORTED (how come ?) so i took out my MX card out of the comp and plugged in the 9200 and it ran smooth as silk .

how bout that nvidia desktop huh? that rules

dont know about u man ,but whenever i installed that thing it crashes my windows (not often),or sucks out the ram from my comp or just causes annoying unexplainable errors and illegal operations.its always set on disable on all my comps with nvidia cards (3) .

it was slow, and iv never been a fan of Radeon. try it and see. Radeon peple don't dare bash NVida caus' they got nothin to bash on about compared to their lousy stuff!!

no1 is bashing nvidia cards cause we all know they are great cards .but the question is ,are the new radeon cards better?older radeon cards are like shit compared to nvidia's (my opinion) but i think the new generation (9000 +) are far better in performance (based on tomshardware)

look down at ziptie2k2's long post .i didnt want 2 put it here as my post would have become gigantic

i also built up ALOT of computers half of which are mine ( 9 ) .however ive been using built in cards as a much cheaper alternative .when i realised my mistake i starting updating and from my experience i see that nvidia cards outperform same age ati cards (16mbs to 64 mbs era)
however ,as for slower radeons i guess thats because nvidia just puts a fast processor and ram in that card while radeon makes the most of older slower stuff ,somehting like AMD and INTEL.hence the price difference (i read that somewhere i remember)

and guys ,thanks for reviving this thread .i thought it just going 2 die away . i accept all opinions (thats y i made the thread in the 1st place) and im sure others accept them 2 .
oh and rodney ,could u be kind enough as to tell us which cards u tested ?

[ziptie2k2]

no1 is bashing nvidia cards cause we all know they are great cards .but the question is ,are the new radeon cards better?older radeon cards are like shit compared to nvidia's (my opinion) but i think the new generation (9000 +) are far better in performance (based on tomshardware)

That is a pretty realistic description of the the timeline as I see it too. Which could explain the radeon bashing, just like when Dodge put there new truckline out after years and years of the same crappy design. Then bam, they blew GM and Fords doors off (at least in popularity) for a couple years. This sudden rise in quality or sales is exactly what sparks the JELEOUSY which forces loyal brand users to "bash" the other products.
And I agree that ATI's cards a couple years ago were trash compared to nvidia, but your analogy on intel and amd sums that up perfect. I however have no brand loyalty (I'm a performance man) whatever is better in my mind will get the sale, no matter how long I have used a different product. The only reason I am defending radeon cards is the last 4 cards I have used (owned) have been radeons and I have never had a problem with performance or any other area. Therefore it is in my best interest to defend a defenseless being.

Great debate by the way

[lizardkid]

hey who needs debate class? all i need to do is get on off topic ATI vs Radeon for a good debate!!!

do i see extra credit???

[ziptie2k2]

Exactly, and if your ever are in debate class, you can whoop there a**'s.

[M&M]

lol
well,today i went had a look at some of the pc vendors and i FOUND the radeon 9800xt finally .however its price tag was enough 2 buy 2 pcs with 2.8 ghz/512 ram /40gb hdd/motherboard +sound /no vga .
guess im gonna wait a few more years or maybe buy something cheaper like the radeon 9600 xt (almost a quarter of the price :S )
same applies for geforce .the fx 5950 is exactly the same price (the msi geforce) as the 9800xt .however fx 5600 or fx 5700 is a much cheaper alternative .there is also another fx 5950 which is a quarter less expensive (gigabyte geforce)
can any1 explaine y some models are cheaper than others with such a huge price difference ? (talkin about fx 5950)

[M&M]

after an indepth look into toms hardware .it seems that i was misaken .the new generatin of radeon cards (9600 ,9600xt,9800 ,9800xt)are good ,but the geforce fx generatin (5700 ,5900 5950) are far better than radeon .i have seen benchmarks and design tabnles also .after having been determined on buying a radeon 9800xt (which i found out to be very expensive ) im now looking inot buying a geforce fx 5900 (not the 5950 because its also very expensive .same price as radeon 9800xt ).
i thought i might post this to help any1 who was in doubt .
also do visit that site and take a look urself

and with the new geforce 6800 coming soon .nvidia is showing who is really the master of the vga market .cheack the site for info about it

[ziptie2k2]

but the geforce fx generatin (5700 ,5900 5950) are far better than radeon

I dont know how they are testing these things but as far as I'm concerned, unless you're running a computer animated graphics creation
program, then I dont know how you can tell the difference, I sure cant. A buddy of mine has recently installed a gforce 5950 in his pc, and I just put a radeon 9800xt in mine, and I cant tell the difference at ALL.

also do visit that site and take a look urself

Can you tell me were this site is, so I CAN look?

I would be interested in how they can tell one is "better" than the other.

[M&M]

www.tomshardware.com !!!
they test different cards on one constant system .then benchmark the fps they get .there is also a few design diagrams and tables .the diagrams might seem confusing ,but the tables tells u which card has better "hardware" .there are alot of reviews ,and info on vga cards and other pc components .

there are a few vga comparisions there ,vga part 3 .where they test most cards on a high end pc system
there is vga parts 2 where they test most cards on a medium powered pc (pentium 3)
there are several minor comparisions focused on certain cards as well .
have fun reading

[ziptie2k2]

Were did you find the nvidia 5950 and the radeon 9800xt?

From what I seen the radeon 9700 pro was the latest they showed along with the gforce ti4600. (which the radeon was outperforming)

Maybe I missed something

[M&M]

well,there was one about the geforce 5900 and the radeon 9800xt (not sure about the xt)
and the geforce seemed to outperform it in a nmber of things ,while all radeo cards outperformed the nvidia cards in single textures .all nvidia cards did better at multitexturing than radeon . (which is used more in games )

there was also a single review about the geforce 5950 (without any comparisions)

did u enter the vga cards part? here is the link to it . http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/index.html
on that page there is a long list of reviews in descending order by date

[ziptie2k2]

Ah ha, well after reading that it look like I wouldnt buy battlefield 1942 if I had a nvidia, but other than that they looked similar. It kinda looked like a toss up to me, cause nvidia performed better with some games and the same can be said about radeon. But then again that was the 5900 so maybe the 5950 is even better. But I still say this crap doesnt matter because when I play these games on both I dont see a difference.

[M&M]

Ah ha, well after reading that it look like I wouldnt buy battlefield 1942 if I had a nvidia

y do u say that? i seem to remember that battlefield is supported by nvidia cards .it works on my geforce 4 mx 440 no problems whatsoever .

try checking out the reviews about the new geforce 6800 ,it says it now outperforms the fx5950 4 times in some cases !!!!!
dunno if they had made a review about ati's new product the X800 which is supposed to be faster .but for some reason ATI is very secretive about it

there is also his new graphics company called XGI ,it seems to have a pretty good card which did quite good in some cases (while its stil a prototype and the drivers are beta !!!)

i was so board and had nothin to do,so i spent about 3 hours reading about them !!!!!!

[ziptie2k2]

No, nvidia supports it, it's just that the benchmark for that game test showed that it sucked bad. Dont really matter though cuase I buy whatever I like and that I can get a good deal on. As a matter of fact I had the nvidia 5950 picked out for this new pc, but found the ATI 9800xt on ebay for $370.00, and it has the coupon for the free copy of half life 2. That's the only reason I went with that card.

This is my 3rd pc I have built in 3 months, cause I keep wanting to try different setups and configurations.