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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:58 pm
by m4rine
hogleg wrote:Saddam and Osama shared a hatred for the USA. Saddam wanted revenge for Desert storm and Osama hated the US because of the relationship for one, that Saudi arabia has with the US, and was banned from his own country. You don't think they were sleeping together?
yes i agree with you there, it wasnt me saying it i merely ahem, translated it hehe
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:08 pm
by hogleg
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:46 pm
by jv_map
hogleg wrote:Saddam and Osama shared a hatred for the USA. Saddam wanted revenge for Desert storm and Osama hated the US because of the relationship for one, that Saudi arabia has with the US, and was banned from his own country. You don't think they were sleeping together?
No I think not, I think Saddam didn't like islamistic fundamentalists too much because they could get more powerful than himself... I'll be the first to admit I've never been in Saddam's bed room though.
btw does anyone still believe
anything the cia says?
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:09 pm
by At0miC
Well, I also don't believe the government too, with some things.
Remember the airplane crash in the Pentagon 11 Sep,
well, the remnants of the plane where never found, but there was made a picture about the engine, but experts said that engine woul be way too small for an airplane engine that has flown in the petagon. Where the ''plane'' crashed was a hole, but at the place where the engines and the wings would be, the walls and windows where not destroyed or heavely damaged, the ''plane'' that crashed through the pantagon made a large small hole trough the building (I believe trough 5 building-wings) and the hole was at the same small side all the time, but and airplane can't make a hole like that. On the video that the Pantagon made was 1 frame that showed the flying object, it didn't look like a airplane at all, and it was way too small. Eyewitnesses they said they heard a rocket woeesh sound, and there are who said they saw a rocket. After research, they found out that 4 security cameras where ''looking'' at the place where the flying object has flown it was on a gas station, at a large building on the roof top, at the pantagon, and the other I forgot. Just 1 of them where published, the pantagon security camera. Why haven't we see the other 4 video's yet?
But the government keeps saying that it was the hijacked airplane...
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:59 pm
by kalashnikov
Oh please, is it so hard to believe that it was a hijacked plane. I practically saw it on tv. Don't start with the conspiracy theories. Where would that rocket have come from? Some muslim bought the huge rocket at the local gunshop?
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:02 pm
by At0miC
People are believing stuff to easy and too fast sometimes.
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:03 pm
by Ezykeyal
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:09 pm
by m4rine
jv_map wrote:hogleg wrote:Saddam and Osama shared a hatred for the USA. Saddam wanted revenge for Desert storm and Osama hated the US because of the relationship for one, that Saudi arabia has with the US, and was banned from his own country. You don't think they were sleeping together?
No I think not, I think Saddam didn't like islamistic fundamentalists too much because they could get more powerful than himself... I'll be the first to admit I've never been in Saddam's bed room though.
btw does anyone still believe
anything the cia says?
lol the CIA...
Bush
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:49 pm
by tltrude
I may not agree with a lot of the actions of my government, but at least I have the freedom to protest those actions!
Every American knows Bush went to war to help his weapons making buddies, and lower the price of gas/oil in United States and the rest of the world. But, is that a bad thing? Not to most American, or Bush would of been thrown out of office!
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:58 pm
by Jack Ruby
Its not hard to believe that a plane hit the pentagon if you only listen the the usual angle.
Heres what I think is preety much irrefutable evidence it wasnt a jet that hit it:
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/ ... urs_en.htm
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:59 am
by HDL_CinC_Dragon
im starting to fear this thread
its scaring me. But I think 98% of US would agree that Brits kick ass and 100% of US would say USA kicks all ass and the select hot headed few would say that USA is the only "load bearing beam" of this house we call earth. I for one am part of the ppl who say Brits kick ass (and are good actors, i saw a movie with 6 british men in an army platoon, sucky and strange movie but they acted good *movie: Dog Soldiers) and i also think that when we have strong leaders and fellow countries fighting along our side, Good can prevail against all evil. You would think that other country leaders would learn, everytime some tragic happens, our nation comes closer than ever before. After Pearl Harbor over 30k ppl had signed into the army. After 9/11 thousands helped out at ground zero and offered as much relief as possible. But the UK is right up there on the list with USA on top 10 kick ass countries. Rock on UK, Rock on USA.
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:21 am
by lizardkid
Good can prevail against all evil.
isnt it funny that good and evil are objective to those who use the term? AL-Quada belive that AMerica and it's Alies are the root of evil, and do holy missions to destroy the evil. Americans belive that the Jihading idiots are stupid people and definately evil. soemthing to be destroyed. would an ant not think that the little boy who stepped on it evil? the mouse that was caught by the cat?
it's mind-boggling but if you think of it there is no good or evil, no shades of grey even... just people and their delusions.
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hem, did you say
both nations ? so why is there only an american flag? lol i cant draw British flag either.
as for this conspiricy theory, it's just crazy enoguh to be true. i think it's funny how nobody belives in conspiricies anymore. they all think they're hoaxes.
exactly the right mentality for one to be overtly obvious and easy to spot, but nobody cares about it since the government tells them what to think. if any of you read Harry Potter you'll know exactly what i mean with the whole Voldemort dilemma in Book 5.
also that scorch mark in pic... um, 5 i think, on the white wall with the hole in the middle. how would boeing make that? fuel explosion? cant be, it'd be three times that size and all over the wall. only a concentrated explosive could have done that. liek a rocket. the point of impact would have blown
outwards and sprayed the sides. like so. and in a smallish radius. again, liek so.
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:52 pm
by hogleg
Here's a man that deserves more credit!
Gandhi
Peace will not come out of a clash of arms but out of justice lived and
done by unarmed nations in the face of odds.
Democracy and violence can ill go together.
Evolution of democracy is not possible if we are not prepared to hear the other side.
A coward is incapable of exhibiting love; it is the prerogative of the brave.
Hatred ever kills, love never dies; such is the vast difference between the
two. What is obtained by love is retained for all time. What is obtained by
hatred proves a burden in reality for it increases hatred.
Non-cooperation with evil is a sacred duty.
You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees.
An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil.
A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul.
Nonviolence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is
mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man
It may be long before the law of love will be recognized in international
affairs. The machinery's of government stand between and hide the hearts of
one people from those of another.
To forgive is not to forget. The merit lies in loving in spite of the vivid
knowledge that the one that must be loved is not a friend.
What kind of victory is it when someone is left defeated?
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
Whether humanity will consciously follow the law of love, I do not know.
But that need not disturb me. The law will work just as the law of gravitation works, whether we accept it or not.
The person who discovered the law of love was a far greater scientist than any of our modern scientists.
Only our explorations have not gone far enough and so it is not possible for everyone to see all its workings.
Violent means will give violent freedom.
However much I may sympathize with and admire worthy motives, I am an
uncompromising opponent of violent methods even to serve the noblest of
causes.
Power is of two kinds. One is obtained by the fear of punishment and the
other by acts of love. Power based on love is a thousand times more
effective and permanent then the one derived from fear of punishment.
Man and his deed are two distinct things. Whereas a good deed should call
forth approbation, and a wicked deed disapprobation, the doer of the deed,
whether good or wicked always deserves respect or pity as the case may be.
Hate the sin and not the sinner is a precept which though easy enough to
understand is rarely practiced, and that is why the poison of hatred
spreads in the world.
Nonviolence and cowardice are contradictory terms. Nonviolence is the
greatest virtue, cowardice the greatest vice. Nonviolence springs from
love, cowardice from hate. Nonviolence always suffers, cowardice would
always inflict suffering. Perfect nonviolence is the highest bravery.
Nonviolent conduct is never demoralizing, cowardice always is.
Destruction is not the law of humans. Man lives freely only by his
readiness to die, if need be, at the hands of his brother, never by killing him.
Every murder or other injury, no matter for what cause, committed or inflicted on
another is a crime against humanity.
Man's nature is not essentially evil. Brute nature has been known to yield
to the influence of love. You must never despair of human nature.
Nonviolence is not a garment to be put on and off at will.
Its seat is in the heart, and it must be an inseparable part of our being.
It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say.
It is the law of love that rules mankind. Had violence, i.e. hate, ruled us
we should have become extinct long ago. And yet, the tragedy of it is that
the so-called civilized men and nations conduct themselves as if the basis
of society was violence.
Gandhi was once asked what he thought about western civilization. His
response was: "I think it would be a good idea."
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:06 am
by Surgeon
Hmmm.. this is an... interesting thread that i've been watching for a while....
Whilst I'm a firm believer in the ideals of the US, I feel that rather like most ideals, they are no longer truely in place....
Capitalism has replaced Democracy as a political way of life (to what extent is in the eye of the beholder). Is this a bad thing ? Well moslty yes. The US was founded on vertain principles, which to all extent and purpose seem to have been thrown to the wayside, being paid no more than lip service... I'm not saying that the US is the only country where this has happened - its happening more and more in the UK, which concerns me greatly.......
The second Iraqi War was, to my mind, a bit of a farce. How many excuses were given for us to go to war with them? At last count around 5-10.....
Sadaam is an evil man - There is no denying this.
Yet thousands of people are massacred every day, many many more than Sadaam is even suspected of putting to death. These regions of the world, for instance, The Congo, Sudan, and other places have leaders who are arguably more evil than Sadaam. Yet we don't see the US rushing to invade them.
North Korea - a country under the thumb of one of the most evil men of our time. Now they probably DO have WMD's, yet again, no invasion by the US or the UK.
Its double standards. Can you blame people for suspecting that Iraq was invaded to protect the US's oil supply ?
Sadaam was acting in partnership with Osama Bin Ladin -I don't believe this. Whereas Sadaam was Secular, Bin Ladin was a fanatic... They hated each other just as much as they both hated the West. It was easy for Bush to tell the American public that Bin Ladin was in cahoots with Sadaam - What better way to focus the rage and grief of the American people. Give them a target to strike back at...
Its interesting that Blair didn't even try to link the 2 men.
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:59 am
by m4rine
wow, that is my views put in good words lol
yeh excactly, North Korea actually scares me, we know nothing about it, though i think they recently let some people into the country, please correct me if I'm wrong.
I think the UK/US have some idea of what goes on inside North Korea. What are MI5 and the CIA for if they know nothing about it already? Of course they are not going to make this information public knowledge. It is my guess that they know North Korea is very dangerous, more so than Iraq. But they won't release this information, else people would press both countries about invading Iraq not North Korea. And why dont they invade North Korea? Scared is my opinion. And they have every reason to be. Whatever the North Korean's have got there, it is my guess it isa pretty bad.
Saddaam was a step to removing all evil dictators in countries like Iraq. If UK/US are going to start, might as well finish. And this time learn from their mistakes. Give weapons inspectors more time. Blair wanted this, but Bush seemed to have his mind fixed on war.