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m4rine wrote:no i read it. it is stupid ppl making a half good point but ultimately USA deserves critisicsm. bullying counrty who have the most uncoordinated army in the world and who believe themseleves to rule the world. proof: G. Bush's speach "if america fails, the world will fail".

what does he think europe will do, let the world fail? USA only makes our world worse anyway.

I didn't read any posts after this one because I don't really like discussing politics with people because it goes nowhere. I just have to say one thing after this crappy remark:

If it wasn't for the U.S. the British would be saying nein instead of no and also calling someone an "Esel" instead of a git. I'm not racist against anybody, but you had this one coming. If you don't like Bush...well why do you care who our president is if America is so unimportant to you?

1. why the hell would i make such statements if i deem america unimportant? did i ever say unimportant? the opposite in fact. america is the most powerful nation in the world. so it is important to every one who cares about the world

2. talking of crappy remarks, your remark was one. where was america in 1939? where was america when Warsaw (Poland) was invaded, or London bombed to bits? Where was America when millions of Jews were being slaughtered? u came. only cos ur poor precious Pearl Harbour was bombed. that was nothing compared to what Europe had already suffered whilst you sat and watched. maybe talks had been going on about USA entering the war, but hell, u should have been there from the start. then u think ur heroes "saving" Europe, when actually you were not there when you should have bloody well been, and you only cared about yourself getting hit? i mean, nothing to be gained from helping in 1939 was there? only innocent lives.

One should remember that in 1812 the British invaded the US and burned the capital and the white house to the ground!
Why would the US jump in to save you guy's in 1939?

to prove we're better than them to not hold grudges. after all, that's what Christians belive and back in the 30's the AMerican population was decidedly Christian.

Yeah um...the reason Poland was invaded was because Britain was appeasing Hitler. If they would have defended Austria and Czechslovakia then Hitler would have been stopped. At the time, the German army were way short of weapons, armor, and planes. It wasn't until after Germany had total control of those two countires that they started mass producing their weapons. If they would have declared war then, Hitler's army would have most likely been stopped. But you are right...that'a America's fault.

Just stepping in on a historical note here: Britain appeased Hitler because we had such a puny ground force, that we wouldnt have stood a chance. We are only a small isle y'know

Anyway, none of us made these decisions... so why argue about it?

Stood no chance? Britain didn't have a small ground force at the time. Even if they did, Hitler barely had any weapons whatsoever. He even had trouble attacking Poland. He wasn't up against much....the best cavalry in the world....lol.

I agree with Mj, but the reason why I am is because I am defending my wonderful country.

hogleg wrote:One should remember that in 1812 the British invaded the US and burned the capital and the white house to the ground!
Why would the US jump in to save you guy's in 1939?

haha, im not talking about the UK alone. Europe as a whole. and lemme see... didnt USA go into Kuwait and Vietnam because another country was invading its neighbour? and had either of those countries done owt for you? Ok, kuwait had oil. u still helped them.

strafer wrote:Yeah um...the reason Poland was invaded was because Britain was appeasing Hitler.

haha that got me laughing. at least check ur facts u fool. UK werent officially opposing Hitler in war terms until after Poland was invaded. Never heard Neville Chamberlines' speach? We told Germany to get out of Poland or we would go to war with them. LOL. Man, if ur gonna argue with a Brit about why we went to war, get your facts straight.

strafer wrote:Stood no chance? Britain didn't have a small ground force at the time. Even if they did, Hitler barely had any weapons whatsoever. He even had trouble attacking Poland. He wasn't up against much....the best cavalry in the world....lol.

wow, who the hell taught u this? Hitler overran Poland easy as an elephant on a mouse. barely any weapons? Only the strongest tank divisions in Europe.

Right back at ya on getting your facts straight. Germany took heavy losses against Poland. Yes, Chamberlain said to get out of Poland, out of Czechoslovakia, and out of Austria or they would go to war. Only until after Germany took Poland was when they finally did. All of Europe was worried about Hitler starting his first invasions. France and Britain didn't want to go to war so they appeased Hitler by allowing to have part of Czechoslavakia and Austria, but they weren't going to allow anymore. Yes I do know about Chamberlain's speech and how he "achieved peace." He did real well on that.

Yes we did help South Vietnam and South Korea to stop the spread of communism. These were different time periods. It was a mistake to go into Vietnam. Also, the U.S. was in a depression and that's what was on their mind at the moment. Not the fact that Hitler invaded some countries and the U.S. decided not to go to war with Germany FOR Britain and France.

I just found the casualty list in the book "A War to be Won." German casualties were 11,000 killed, 30,000 wounded, and 3,400 missing. Polish casualties were a lot more, but a push-over my ass. At the time, Germany's military wasn't that big. Germany was hit pretty hard.

strafer wrote:I just found the casualty list in the book "A War to be Won." German casualties were 11,000 killed, 30,000 wounded, and 3,400 missing. Polish casualties were a lot more, but a push-over my ass. At the time, Germany's military wasn't that big. Germany was hit pretty hard.

Pushover yes. Poland was rolled over by Panzer Divisions. A list of casualities dont neccesarily mean a battle was easy or hard. And chamberlain only sed out of Poland actually in his speach.

haha, go research your war. 1942+

If you didn't notice...that was research.

Poland didn't take long to take over. What I am saying is that if Britain and France did declare war on Germany earlier and mobilized their military, then Germany would have been more than likely stopped.

And another thing, you are defending Chamberlain...no one wanted him in power because he did not act! Churchill was smart enough to know the thread, but he didn't listen to him.

Cromwell wrote: You have sat too long for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God go!

People just loved him! Chamberlain later resigned because he was going to be voted out of power.

And chamberlain only sed out of Poland actually in his speach.

Post again and tell me what you are trying to say.

Strafer is right on this one, the Polish had some of the most advanced anti-tank weaponry of the time, and the white swastika on the tanks were changed during this time as the presented such wonderful targets... I hope my facts are straight