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still,, took you long enuf dint it

oh yhe if that quote was me, i ment i do NOT just ppl on where they are from - like u i judge them on who they are

I am glad that everyone is having a heated debate, thats very good for opening our perspectives as to how everyone see's the situation.

No one point of view is wrong, all we have are our own opinions, so during this debate no one call anyone else a$$holes because you dont agree. Even though everyone has been civil so far so its cool.

I found my Nostradamus book, here's the description of the start of the War:

Mars, Venus , sun in Leo: to Arab Khan
Shall Christendom at length by sea succumb.
Some million men from round about Iran:
To Nile and Istanbul coiled snake shall come.


The arangements of the planets in the first line refer to a date of 21-22 August 1988.

It also establishes that an army of a million men lead by the Coiled Snake from the area around Iran will be on the march against Christendom, which for all intents and purposes is Western Europe and the Americas.

However we cant expect a D DAY type attack on this date as it takes a long time to build up an effective attacking force.

The next time the planets line up as before gives a date in 2006.

So something dramatic should be expected to show itself on 21-22 August 1998. Both Sudan and Afghanistan were unexpectedly attacked by the USA on 21st August, all targets were linked to bin laden.

The invasion also neednt be soo obvious as a standard army force, as we have seen the invaders are able to work in small numbers and cause dramatic effects.

Its a time to be wary for sure

Its amusing stuff, if Nostradamus really could see the future then it means our reality is just liek a tape being played and we have no free will

Madness

i have my belifs that we're kinda well, preprogrammed. just like AI. excepting we use chemical reactions instead of electric code. but that's how my mind thinks of it. i only saw Matrix 1 btw and thought it was a funny idea. but no, i had this belief since a long time before Matrix. like when i was 6.

[Spec Ops] Jack Ruby wrote:I am glad that everyone is having a heated debate, thats very good for opening our perspectives as to how everyone see's the situation.

No one point of view is wrong, all we have are our own opinions, so during this debate no one call anyone else a$$holes because you dont agree. Even though everyone has been civil so far so its cool.

i agree... it a heated debate but not too heated - as in a friendly, heated debate lol

Yeah, I have read a lot of Nostradamus's stuff, sometimes I think it's a stretch but you got to put yourself in the mind of a person living in 1500's.
Seeing a helicopter in a "dream", "illusion" or what ever he had, how would you describe it?
LOL what made him write something like this:
http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~jamesf/pentium.html

Wanna know if u got the P*ntium FDIV flaw?
http://www.trnicely.net/pentbug/pentbug.html

Thats very weird hogleg.

It must have been very hard for Nostradamus to describe what he is seeing, he talks of men inside fish, which has been taken to be submarines, how else could you interpret the fish ?

It is a mad thing if he really is describing the future, brings us back to the video tape idea. But that would mean we have no free will only the illusion of it. Would this mean that the big programmer in the sky really does exist ? Someone would have had to set the thing up then hit play, right ?

Reality, or should I say our perception of reality, is really only created in our own minds. The actual universe we live in and observe is only a huge sea of electricity.

I have another question, colour is only reflected light , right ? So is everything transparent in the dark ? would seem obvious that it isnt but it must be ? and I guess theres no way to prove it as however you try to observe the things in the dark room you would have to introduce light, infra-red whatever is still light, hmmmmm

[Spec Ops] Jack Ruby wrote:I have another question, colour is only reflected light , right ? So is everything transparent in the dark ? would seem obvious that it isnt but it must be ? and I guess theres no way to prove it as however you try to observe the things in the dark room you would have to introduce light, infra-red whatever is still light, hmmmmm

That is dimebag philosophy.

Interesting thought, but no real meaning. Its the kind of thing that cycles endlessly with nothing learned, impossible to prove, along the lines of the tried and true, 'if a tree falls in a forest...'. In this case tho, at least the question is interesting and not immediately dismissed in your head, because it holds with what science tells you, rather then the reverse. hehe... the only wisdom you can ever draw out of these things is that there are things unknowable, only to be guessed at.

Speaking of which... one of these is the future. Or you can believe everything you read and develope a radical new future telling method of crosschecking nostradamus with the bible code *rolls eyes*

Mars, Venus , sun in Leo: to Arab Khan
Shall Christendom at length by sea succumb.
Some million men from round about Iran:
To Nile and Istanbul coiled snake shall come.

What does this refer to? In august of 1988... Iran and Iraq signed a peace agreement... but that cant be it?

perhaps its this!

August 22, 1988 In History
Event:
NBC premieres "Later" with Bob Costas (1st guest Linda Ellerbee)

even had the date been 1990(or 91?) when saddam first invaded his neighbors, they are certainly not christiandom. So what exactly on those dates is impressive enough to validate a tabloid prophet? And if there actualy was something on those dates to validate it, then you couldnt say watch out for 1006, cause the prophecy would have already passed.

So logicaly, based on that info, you give no real proof at nossy's deductive powers, and warn of 2006(similar to something nostradamus himself would have done =p)

but there is one simple and sure way to judge the validity of this nonsense.... pick the thing you are most sure of from nosty's predilections(erm sorry predictions) and base some major life decision on it... invest, move, travel, whatever, but do it because you think you know even a glimse of whats coming next =p

Iron Maiden wrote:Now that they see the disaster is done
Now they put all the blame unto me
They feel I brought on a curse
Don't they know that the torment
It stays with me knowing that I walk alone
Through the eyes of the future I see
They don't even know what fear is
Don't they know I'm the one who is cursed

Sure I empathize with the crackpot in the ironmaiden song, but I too would kick his arse for prophesizing about doom and getting lucky when it happens =)

(hope no one was offended by this =p)

Well there can be no proving Nostradmus, I couldnt say I believe any of it, merely was pointing out a seemingly accurate hit on his part.

The later quatrains go into great detail about the Muslim invasion of europe but the one I pointed out is the one that gives the starting date for the invasion. The planets were in the mentioned alignment on 21-22 Aug 1998. The next time will be in 2006, not sure which dates. If nothing happened in 98 and nothing happens again in 2006 then the quatrain may not be for this time, it might be for the next time they line up, which is I dont know when.

The fact that the bases in Sudan and Afghanistan were hit on the 21st and Al Qaeda duly declared Jihad against Israel and the West seems like a very good accurate hit on our boys part.

Christendom shall at length succumb, I take this to mean that the invasion will take time to build up, the 21st was pointed out as the day the war starts, which indeed it did seem to do.

So I find his stories interesting, but wouldnt bank on them eh

edit: for the most part you can make anything fit with his words but the planetary alignment is a certain dating for the quatrain, theres nothing to interpret falsely there. The million man army equally does not seem to be able to be interpreted as anything else.

eh i read 1988... wierd.

well anyway, its hard to say that any of nostradamus's coincedences even achieve the 'eerie' stage.

Its like when reading a good author, some things can be taken many wayrs or have serveral messages drawn from them depending on the reader. You can make things 'fit' so to speak. Problem is, if your a prophet, and you hit into this category, well for one your not much of a prophet then now are you?

If you can read human tendencies, you can tell the future, to an extent. However, I dont believe Nostradamus knows much of anything. Then again I find a concept like 'the seldon plan' preposterous as well. I find myself screaming at books or movies(ok only in my head usualy) when they become obsessive about fate/destiny/whatever to the extent that free will is eliminated, be it on an individual scale, or a society wide scale. Why are people so obsessed with this concept of thier choices being meaningless? Is it to alleviate the pressure and responsibility of leading thier own lives? Cant have guilt if your fate was already pre-decided eh? The word fate has been around since religion, and probably before that. Could it be that religion just gave more organization to this concept of irresponsibility known as fate? -now dont get me wrong, alot of modern religions emphasize personal responsibility among thier faithful, but thier is also a (sometimes) contrary thread in all of them called 'the will of god'-

ANyway the day I seriously believe anything that will happen tomorrow was on record somewhere in the dark ages, is the day I take this monitor and insert my head into it.

(none of that was really directed at anyone here, I dont know any of yo uwell enough to attribute faiths or concepts about personal responsibility -vs- fate to you =p)

Wow! Someone else in the world has read Issac Asimov. Good writer tho.

Fatalism is a bad thing. We should take responsibility for our own actions.

I think its Hindu's that give up all responsibility. Theres a mountain pass I saw in India on a tv show sometime. The truck drivers throw some coins into a little shrine as they drive past for good luck, then they proceed to drive with no lights in a vehicle that should have been scrapped yrs ago up and down a winding mountain road. They dont need lights or working brakes as they believe if its their time to go then theres no avoiding it.

We cant deny the reaper but I am pretty sure we can put him off for a while

I read quite a lot of Asimov too, excellent stuff. I really like Arthur C Clarke too, did you know he came up with the idea of the stationary orbit ?
That might be bullshit but I got that info from somewhere

well anyway, its hard to say that any of nostradamus's coincedences even achieve the 'eerie' stage.

It's eerie to me that he "guessed" the time period and the name "Hisler".

Yea I'm 17 too m8

geostationary(GEO) orbits are also called clarke orbits because he first suggested thier use for orbiting tellecommunitcation sattelites.

Arthur is quite a guy, He chooses to live in Sri Lanka when he could live anywhere in the world. Must be something or a lack of something that draws him there.
Bet he's got a great view of the stars from there thou!
http://www.connectedtraveler.com/clarke.html