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IRS\GOV scam?
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:16 am
by hogleg
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:15 am
by neillomax
Well, first off bitch, You should have told us it was 2 hours long........... having said that, EVERYBODY should click on this link and watch it from front to back, beginging to end. I found the last third extremely frightening.
From the North American Union, to the electronic chips, to the poor guy who ordered a pizza, to what that F***h**d Henry Kissinger had to say about our soldiers, and the relationships between banking and wars. This hits the nail on the head.... guess I'm a fascist...
Thanks for the link....
please don't ban me.............
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:07 pm
by PKM
i got as far as the second text intro ''i set out on a journey to make a film on whether or not there was a law requiring americans to pay income tax...." before i closed this POS propaganda film. whether or not there is (technically there is and yet legally there isn't, go figure that one out) you're not going to run a huge country (not goverment people, a country) on donations.
create legislation kiddies, not alleged grass root snuff films. scare tactics have become the number one supplement for the truth by both sides. stop quoting orwell also, his 1984 was nothing new. he was simply relaying information on the way society has been run since the begining. i hate big goverment but can i blame them ? you hate your civil liberties being taken away but who can say we don't deserve to have them taken; we abused the ones we had, perverted the ones we lost.
we all took our freedoms won in the 60s and ran around like a bunch of immature brats getting their first allowance, spending the freedoms not for the betterment of ourselves but for our own personal ''at the moment'' enjoyments. anyone of us would be doing the same thing the big boys are doing if we had the chance. ''no way PKM, not me''. think so ? look at your credit history sometime. we all currently live for the moment. boiled down, that's what goverments throughout the world are doing now and have been doing. and as for the other aholes across the globe who are yelling at america/USA about being so domineering; take the rose tinted sunglasses off, squeegee your eyes and look at your own politics. universally, big goverment is great for survival but horrible for liberties.
we should stop dying for what we personally believe to be and start dying for our beliefs.
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:13 pm
by hogleg
^ Should have watched the whole film!
This is not propaganda or conspericies. Its what should be on the news.
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:19 pm
by PKM
i've seen too many ''films'' etched together with three notes from the lower keys of a piano and images of riot police to pull an opinion other than .........''and ?"
give me some reasons why i should watch anymore of a POS like this and after those reasons are stated, what you personally plan to do about it other than spread the fear ?
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:47 pm
by hogleg
Go ahead and hide your head in the sand it'll go away. People don't get it, everything's a scam and your happy believing its not....fine. The level of greed and manipulation is so deep its hard to get a handle on.
Federal court judges ignoring supreme court rulings..
The best way to control millions of people is to keep em ignorant.
Make em believe everything is just conspiricy nuts warping the truth.
Our government borrows money?? And pays interest to private banks...hmmm
I know don't bother my world....its going just fine. It is slowly becoming a police state, just wait...You can go to jail for spanking your child. God is being removed from society.
Even though identity thief is a very small problem compaired to other illegal activities Citi Bank has spent millions on pushing the idea of identity thief in preperation of the identity tag. Were all pawns.
I guess your happy with that. Im not, becoming aware of this is the first step. Its possible to slowly change society, IE Martin Luther King made huge changes in this country.
my2cents
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:59 pm
by PKM
last thing i'm doing is hiding my head in the sand. i'm simply disgusted with people pointing and no one lifting (if they're going to point). me ? hell we deserve the goverments we install . i vote and when things don't get done the way i want them to , i vote again. my voter's registration is a lot more powerful than my windows movie maker.
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:33 pm
by hogleg
What if your vote was nothing but a joke in a fixed race?
Looking forward to Splat's analytical view on this
or Jacks
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:23 pm
by neillomax
Putting the irs "propaganda" aside............I've seen all that before too........ let the video run til it gets to the last third or so. Watch it. These things are happening NOW, and people shouldn't take a blind eye to it. Most of whats said either isn't carried by the mainstream media, or it's made to sound insignifigant.
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:40 pm
by lizardkid
Wow, where to begin? Graduated income tax was a leash to the bankers, not a boon. By raising their taxes and easing the poor man's taxes, it was one step to evening the playing field and making a middle class.
The Federal Reserve is controlled expressly by the President. Don't think so? let me use a typical liberal tact and say it's indirectly controlled. The entire leading heirchy of the organization is appointed by the Executive branch, and can be replaced without notice with anyone the President wants. When you can put a parrot mimicking your thoughts in control of the nation's money overnight, i call that control.
Asking people in the street... wow. low as it gets. The average person is not a blog-politician and doesn't give much of a shit about laws as long as they arent arrested for ridiculous charges, arent arrested by anyone not wearing blue, have money and comforts, and are in a safe area.
I don't think people can put things into perspective, when income tax was created,
ninety percent of americans were below poverty level, close to starvation every day. Then there were people wrapping cigars in $100 bills to light them. Income tax was a good way to balance it out, and since it WAS illegal (because the bankers (Carnegie, Rockfeller) controlled the state politicians), it was never brought back up. Maybe it IS some kind of fraud, but that doesn't stop our delicate economic balance.
It IS fraud, but it not authoritarian as conspiricy alarmists would have you believe. it was emplaced for good reasons and created the middle class. Now that we have so many other restrictions i don't think it's NECESSARY, but playing with the economy is never safe. If you abolished it the first thing you'd have is inflation, the deflation. For about a month people would have 20% more money than they knew what to do with. after that employers would cut salaries so that the effective profit of a worker is LOWER than what he got before income tax, gas prices would raise and not go back down with the deflation, and overall we'd be pitching many people back into the 1880's, and simply decreasing our national wealth.
Not only that, we're still in a war, small or not. The government will NOT slack money on weapons and armor, they will lower as a whole every other obligation they have. roads, education, law enforcement, grants, the list goes on. Even if we do get out withint two years, what makes you think we're not going to get either guilted or pressured into another one? Lets count the years, Somalia was 1993. Desert Storm II was 2001. Less than 10 years, economies dont find balance in 10 years, especially when a column of their stability is removed instantly. Our next war can and most likely will be with North Korea, who just last month blew a nuclear weapons test; that hasn't gone over too well and we all know how stable their dear leader is.
With these things it's not about right or wrong, not about legal and illegal, it's about what would happen if it were gone. I can tell you with moderate certainty that removing income tax would not benefit anyone but the big business in the long run. And maybe this whole idea is perpetuated by an oil company, or a bank, or someone with money that needs more. A conspiricy film to help fund a conspiricy?
Don't believe whatever sounds good for the moment. There was someone that said something to the extent of "What and who is hated today will be remembered as the savior of tomorrow. What is loved and embraced now will be the spitting block of the future".
Wow this turned out longer than i meant. But it seems closer to what i think than some of my other posts. Other than that i agree with PKM about our rights and the 60's, and... well about most of what he's said. didn't think you had politician in you pkm

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:00 pm
by PKM
if i said anything i stated above in the capacity of a politician, i'd be a dallas visiting JFK in an hour.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:05 pm
by Jack Ruby
I'm not sure of the laws requiring me to pay tax in the UK, I am pretty certain we get taxed more than you guys in the US.
When my grandfather died, he left some money to my mum, he earned that money, paid income tax on it, he was self employed and I think its 25% income tax for self employed people here, then when he left his hard earned already taxed money to my mum the government taxed that money yet again. Inheritance tax??
That is nothing except complete daylight robbery!
One good memory I have of my grandfather, he hid his money under his floorboards, he never trusted banks and didnt want to earn them any more money, so he kept his cash. He also was a man that looked to the future, he took me out and bought me a ZX81 when I was about 10, my first computer, 1k of memory. God bless ya grandad!
If I ever have the chance to take money from the government I will certainly take it, after taxing a dead man they dont deserve any respect.
But what can you do? I dont see any benefits from the ?100's a month they take off me. The transport system is F**ked, the streets are dirty, most of the city (london) is a shit hole. We are the most surveilled, there are cctv cameras everywhere, our mayor "Welcomes to the City" radical islamists that condone suicide bombings and calls Jews the sons of pigs.
I am very very disillusioned by the state of my country.
Disgusted!
PS, the government here already ok'd the ID card shit, it will be enforced in the next couple of years. Frickin Nazi's!! When it happens I am gonna desert this sinking ship. Leave it to rot!
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:21 am
by hogleg
its a pity...you guys just inherted Allen Greenspan as well
Some things are so big and odviouse that nobody see's it? lol
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7175856460
hmm isn't that odd. A more in depth explaination...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4967756082
PS- yeah I know the guys selling a book but does that make it not the truth?
PS2- that national ID card is very scary!
here's a documentary clearly pointing out odvious facts
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1483512003
Do people really still believe the load of crap thats been dumped on em?
We've planned it before;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwoods
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:50 pm
by Devil_Dog
There ar basicaly 3 types of people. 2 of witch usually make up any given goverment. You have the people that can ignore anything that does not affect them directly(or things that don't seem to). The ones who come up with new ideas, albeit usually bad ones. And the people who want a differant way, but don't know how to get it.
You see this all the time in political discussions. One says, "Lets go to war."
The other replies,"NO, there has to be a better way." But he never tells us what that better way is. Give me another plan. I will condider it. Of it's good we will go with it. If you don;t have one, well....
If you want to change the goverment you have two choices. Come up with a new way of doing things. Be able to explain these ideas. Then tell them to other people. The ones who say "good idea" you bring with you. Find the prettiest face that can speack well and you have yourself a political party with a candidate. Oh, and make sure everyone thinks your pretty face guy thought up your idea, or nobody will vote for him.
The other option requires more people. More important, the right people. Then you get alot of weapons and...well you get the idea.
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:40 pm
by hogleg
The greatest lie ever told. The biggest conspericy ever pulled off in history.
So big that people can't phathom the idea or rationally discuss it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9548020370

People find it easier to discuss Brad Pitt's love life
