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I saw this very soon after Sep 11, just saw it in my faves and thought maybe some of you might not have seen it, its very interesting, not sure what to make of it....

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/ ... urs_en.htm
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I KNEW about this theres tonnes of things the US government does to wash peoples minds with info... for example please tell me how many tv news stations there are, and dont tell me local ones cause they are all owned by one big one..


another way to go to war, although that attempt failed because the US economy is still suffering, they thought first afghanistan would be enough then their economy fell even more, so they found a reason to attack SADAM who had no threat to the americans what so ever.. even if they did have nuclear weapons it would travel only to about greece..

and u say well they were trying to protect the world eh?

well why didnt they help in Rwanda where millions of people were being slaughtered by corrupt governments and militia, Im very proud to announce that just recently maybe a month or two back, the french sent in peacekeepers and by peacekeepers i mean not dropping 10,000 bombs and calling it liberation..

this world isn't freedom driven, but instead power driven, every man/women strives for power, if it may be small scale or on a big scale like Bush or other people...

Oh and about IRAQ, saying that the war never really ended in 1991 thats completed bullshit, or was it 1991? anyways complete bullshit, if that was so they US wouldnt have had to gone to the UN for permssion to wage war... even so without UN's permission they engage anyways, showing that the UN has no power over the states.... does europe like the states... absolutly not, do they turn them down?? no of course not the US have thousands of troops and tanks and stuff positioned over eastern europe incase of an communist attack?? yes the world still fears communism.. also communism is also the reason for many wars that took place.

if us truly were fighting for freedom they wouldnt have dropped 10000 bombs that each way how many tonnes allot right.? (i dont know the exact figure)

no think of this dropping something that ways several 100 tonnes from 10,000 feet in the air never mind the explosives, say its a big rock... ok now just think the power it would have when it hit the ground, there would be a city block where that rock hit, instead thered be a new pond, proabably a 30 foot crater or something..

now add the explosives to this thing.. haha even withouit the explosives they could take care of a country....

think about it people running (ahhhhhh!!!! fallign rocks run for ya lives ahh )

i could go on and on and on but if i do ill probably get even more flamed by people who say blah blah blah bush fights for freedom...

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Oh and about IRAQ, saying that the war never really ended in 1991 thats completed bullcrap, or was it 1991? anyways complete bullcrap, if that was so they US wouldnt have had to gone to the UN for permssion to wage war... even so without UN's permission they engage anyways, showing that the UN has no power over the states....
The war ended 'officially' 1991! but the US and UK still bombed for almost 10 years... and thats a fact! They needed to get a permission from UN to go into Iraq, but the main weapons inspector wanted more time (Hans Blix, swedish), something US couldnt wait for, so they attacked and fabricated alot of information... so where is the WMD!?
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yes fabricated information then blame it on the CIA and the bristish Intelliegence when the people ask where are the WMD and then the next day they say we have complete trust in the CIA and british intelligence
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OK, but did a plane fly into the pentagon ???

Does not look like it to me.
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probably not, it just gave them another reason to wage war in the middle east. 4 planes is better than 3 right?

or maybe that 4th plane went down in a remote location, if at all went down... check on deaths, and on that flight... to see if it actually even existed...
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Twilight zone, I know, how strange is the world eh.

Ever studied the moon landing pics, they are an impossibility too, looks remarkably like the nevada desert to me.
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Some reasonable answers....

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Firstly, assuming the plane had achieved at least 300 knots plus, since it had taken off from Dullas Airport and then had time to make a few circular patterns before decending.... when it hit the massive steel re-enforced outer ring.... it would have after explosions started turned into
tiny pieces of metal .......just like we see in many crash sites of large jets when they plow into the ground and side of hills etc.. Seldom are large pieces recovered in these type crashes. Often even the engine pods and internal fan/compressor assemblies etc., simply pulverized into small pieces of metal. As for the outer portion of the wings..........they would have simply broken into tiny pieces of metal as they ramed into the building wall. REMEMBER WHAT THE TRADE BUILDING CRASH SHOWED... NOTHING LEFT OF THE AIRLINER AS IT PLOWED THROUGH THE BUILDING......AND BELIEVE ME THE PENTAGON WALLS ARE MASSIVE RE-ENFORECED STRUCTURES COMPARED TO WHAT THE WT BUILDINGS ARE (WHERE).

AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT OF THE PLANE....IT WAS MUCH LOWER THEN THE OUTER WALL HEIGHT.......SO WHATS THE BEEF?


As far as fabricating a plane crash into the Pentagon WHICH YOU ARE SUGGESTING..... Just how long would such a fabrication stay under wraps due to the dense populated area with so many people seeing what happened there, and how long could the whole USA Aero Travel organizations be brought into line to uphold some faked crash, and how about all the people who lost loved ones on that flight, and the air controllers out of Dullas Int. etc.. The list is long as who would have to be included in the conspiracy.

What is suggested is almost as bad as those few people mostly from a given area of Europe who completely denie what the Nazi's did to not only the Jews but to over a million Slavs, Poles, Russians, and other captive slaves in the many well designed Death/Slave camps. Even with the huge amounts of still and movie film that showed all the crimes that where commited. Huge piles of burnt corpses etc.
COMEON............. Get your head out of the sand.

Excusses for the taking out Saddam Huissan. OK. We all can question,
exactly why the USA and Britain forced the issue.

In all fairness to all...................... it was only a matter of time before Iraq would have achieved making nuclear weapons, which then would be used against any Arab nation not coming into line with what Saddam had
planned...............which he made clear more then once, his intentions of using nuclear delivery systems against Israel. Why do you think they had to bomb his nuclear power station(s) in 1982? Get some books on the subject and learn something! No I am not of the Jewish faith, but clearly see what has been happening since it has become a state.

Not knowing where you live and what type sources of news you have access to, I still will say the following.
It is a well known fact at this point, according to various sources such as TV interviews etc., with various Arab heads of state, that most of them where quite pleased for us to go into Iraq and remove Saddam from power. WE DID THEIR DIRTY WORK FOR THEM. Now he is no longer a threat to regional peace and stability. Of course the poor Russians, French, Germans, Yugoslavians, Italians etc., no longer can make profit by selling huge amounts of weapontry to him (I am talking about all the shit they bought after the Gulf War from these countries.............where in the UN they all sound so responsible.......as far as the public might decern,
but are all equally guilty of building Iraq's war machine in private deals),

so naturally these governments had a lot to lose in the way of arms sales and nuclear/biotech/ etc., processeing plants and technologies etc.. So
it is natural that they did not want the monies to stop coming in that where supposed to be for feeding and providing medicines and other basic things to the Iraqi peoples, from being paid for their arms, nuclear power plants and enriched uranium fuel rods etc.... GET THE IDEA?


There are almost always two sides to a story. I respect the concerns voiced in this thread, and the trouble the person went to providing the pictures etc., BUT be carefull no to get carried away without a thorough investigation of all the angles one must cover before starting to rumor that the Pentagon was simply bombed by a local truck or something and then meant/doctored up to look like a non-existing airliner crashed into it.

I will respect your inferences but I do not agree with what they lead up to.
Consider what I said about planes disintigrateing on contact..... get some books on airplane crashes etc., send email questions to government agencies that deal with air travel etc., to see if what I am saying is true or not!

As far as the fake moon flights...........come on. Well over a trillion dollars and some ten years plus went into that program. You are suggesting that the USA never put vehicles and people on the moon's surface. And at this point in time it is really silly! Apparently you have never walked in the desert regions of Nevada. If so you would have noticed that there where no craters like are found in the many moon shots shown over the many flights that where taken. The moon has not one living thing on it. In those deserts ...........you will find small patches of vegetation just about anywhere.................where are any signs of any vegetation in any of the moon surface shots? Again...............
It is so easy to get caught up in things.

If you guys really want to explore things of a conspiracy form, you ought to take the time to investigate the thirty plus years of work and investigations done inside the USA and elsewhere concerning BIG BROTHER............where we are talking about those behind the scene big business and philantropic groups etc., that appear to run the world in the background and often seem legitamate in many respects. Such as the Council of Foreign Relations in the USA and the Trilateral Commision etc..
Now there is some intriging stuff. How they manipulate world events to suit their final goal for one world government which supposedly would lead to peace!

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Post by Jack Ruby »

Fair comments, and thanks for such a long post :)

Still for a jet to fly into the building and not to scorch any grass on the lawn seems very strange. As for the moon landings they didnt happen, the pics are doctored, they are not from the moon. Also theres a belt of radiation called the Van Allen Belt, its protects us from much cosmic radiation, to pass safely through this region you need a lead shield around 6 ft thick, I know the Apollo missions didnt have this advantage.

The space shuttle actually flies inside the Van Allen Belts so they have no need for the shielding.

The other covert ruling groups you mention I agree are very interesting to read about.

Look up Bohemian Grove, where most of the western leaders worship Moloch, and apparantly sacrifice children too :twisted:
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6 ft. eh? i better get started on it.. :P now you guys have me all thinking of conspiracies, aliens, and the mib.. :evil:
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hmmmm.....

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Fair enough on your comments. But a note on the Van Allen Belt. Yes I am aware of it. During the mid sixtees an through the seventies I worked at Westinghouse Aero Space and Defense Division in Maryland/USA.
In short while there for about two years I worked in close proximity to a special top secret block house project (Blue Room) which was developing spy satelites. The area was adjacent to where I was working on the F16 Fighter Control Radar System Computer. We developed that computer.

At any rate, I do know that we at that time had many satelites that went beyond the Van Allen Belt. In fact as you probably are aware, there are
quite a few geo concentric and other type orbital satelites in orbit this very moment, that all are on the other side of the Van Allen Belt, buy some eight hundred miles plus. Point is. And I do know what I am talking about, since after leaving Westinghouse I went to Bell Labs and was in on quite a bit Integrated Circuit Design (Yes I actually designed ICs) for AT&T systems etc.. So I know a bit about Radiation levels that can in effect damage or destroy an integrated circuit...................SO....

Point I want to make is.... If one needed some six feet of lead to shield transistors from damage which would be damaged much more
then human tissue during that brief period of passing through the belt region.......it probably only takes a few minutes to pass through when a
rocket is travelling some 15,000 miles per hour at that point as it passes
through the field, remember the rockets had to exceed the 17.8K m/hr
escape velocity to go that far into space and go into orbits, that our satelites electronics would have been damaged considerably. So I do
not want to hassle with you by any means, but I do not think that whoever mentioned a six foot thick lead shield was being at all accurate.

And I can assure you that those satelites do not have very much lead shielding, surely not six feet thick. Critical circuits where probably housed in a 1 or 2 inch at most lead shield and perhaps a Faraday Shield (fine mesh copper wire cage..........to redirect strong RF emmisions etc., from damaging the circuits).

So perhaps I should leave it at that. But you say that all the Moon Missions where faked right? So why did not all the countries that tracked the space vehicles to the moon using their own Space Radar Tracking systems ever say anything about this? Russians, Germans, Brits, Australians, Chile, Canada, you name em... Why after all these years have none of the hundreds of thousands of world wide participants in those events never break the secret and tell the world that there never where any USA space craft approaching the moon, and circling it?
Seems a bit off the wall, to think that such a intricate and long set of missions where somehow very cleaverly faked. Seriously, I am not trying to be a wise guy nor being sarcastic.

And as a side note, one thing that was discovered on those missions was that the moon has no where the amount (depth) of space dust as was presumed to be there (based on the assumation that the Universe is truly
10-20 billion years plus old). Well before the first mission launched, there was much concertation (worry) that the landing module might actually go beneath a layer of moon dust and thereby disallow anyone from exisiting the vehicle as well as the danger of the vehicle not then being able to rise again. This is a well known fact. Well, one of the things that came out after the first mission was the fact that there where only a few inches on average of moon dust! Strange. What I am leading up to is one of the best keep secrets world wide, that is the concerted efforts of many many different levels/organizations to make sure that the folks on earth continue to think that science has proven that evolution is a fact, and that the universe is truly as huge as it appears and that it all started from absolutely nothing various mathematical schemes Doctor Gamow and others had dreamed up over the years. All this dispite so many things that continue to say the opposite. If you are interested in spending a life time tracking and learning the pros and cons of evolution verse a fiat creation by a creator, you will be flabergasted and humbled at how much is made to be thought of a proven fact, verse how much is known to counter this theory (evolution/huge universe/ universe just happening to come into existence etc..) After all, prior to any universe there WAS NOTHING. NO TIME. NO SPACE.....hmmmmm think hard about it.....,no SPACE because there simply was nothing. Since there was simply nothing there was no form of energy.................nothing, no subatomic particles of any kind, no masons, quirks, smerks, jerks etc....etc. NOTHING. Then bingo, out of nothing comes something!

Whoops.....................the grass! Yes. Very good point. Notice the grass lawns being away from the building? Now if the plane flew into the building ............what way would you expect the blast wave, flaming aviation fuel, and debris to go? Backwards? I think you get the point.

But interestingly in one of those pictures you point out that they are dumping sand or something onto the lawn areas. Hmmmmm. Why?
And was it sand OR some type of chemical compound placed there for some reason that was not brought out? OR was it sand and placed there as a temporary berm so to speak so that work crews and equipment would not chew up the lawn. Then after repair work was finished a big
vacuum cleaner truck drove by and removed the sand leaving the nice looking lawn. I am only suggesting something like this could remove the
mystery of what appears to be sand was dumped onto the lawn area.
I have no idea what was placed there nor why. But I can guess that the vanity to protect the pretty lawn could fit into the equation.

Food for thought. And it appears I have to much free time on my hand to be writting such long threads. Sorry if it offends anyone.
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Post by Bjarne BZR »

Nice to see some education poring through the forum. Lovely to read all these posts.

But remember one thing: Just because you are paranoid, does not mean they aren't out to get you.

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mid sixties and seventies??? :shock: how old are you man?!
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Ahh i love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next man......

If you really want to investigate a conspiracy start with probably the biggest one in 2000 years : Christianity / The Bible.

For 1000's of years the human race valued women : they were seen as the root of all life. When Constantine accepted/initiated Christianity women went from being almost deified to being revilied as evil (think Garden of Eden / Snake / Apple, etc etc) -> Giving men all the power. Its also interesting how a lot of "holy" christian days are exactly the same as a popular Pagan god of the time. This Pagan god (who had been worshiped for a long time before Constantine) was born on Dec 25th, was crucified and rose again 3 days later. Also Christianity borrowed the Pagan holy day for its own - Sunday - Its the Day of the Sun (Pagans worship the Sun God).

Relationships only became Monogomous (sp) in the early 12th Century (It was decided by 3 High Ranking Church Officials) Before this time it was perfectly acceptable for Christians to have more than one wife or partner at once...

Its not meant to be an attack against Christianity as such - its just interesting if you read a lot of books to find out the origins of the religion and how its shaped our culture / morality for the better/worse....
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Grb, this was such an under valued thread, good job keeping it alive.

The scorched grass, surely I would expect some back blast if said plane disintegrated into small pieces on impact as suggested in one of your earlier posts.

The moon landings, I have studied the pics, they are not from the moon. The hasselblad camera had a fixed focus with no viewer , and a guy on the moon with his suit on takes exceptional pics with no focusing, and perfectly framed too with no viewer ??

As for the Van Allen Belts, as you point out travelling at speed you only suffer these for a short time, once past the belts you are exposed to the full power of solar and cosmic radiation, cosmic rays can be found with energies up to 20 GeV, so it seems no human can exist in the void.

The moon landing gave the USA a lot of kudos at a time when the USSR had a total lead in the space race. Russia had the edge in rocket technology at the time and propaganda has always and will always be used to great effect in bringing down foes, this may have been one piece in the puzzle.

But the Bohemian Grove thing, theres not even an issue with that, the heads of Western Civilisation go to this place to worship Moloch and sacrifice children, true, strange as it may seem ?
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