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map perimeters

Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:45 pm
by war6402
I have a simple question. What is the average size in units of a map?

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:25 am
by lizardkid
this varies. it's a brod question, depends on whether you are talking SP, MP, then you have obj, DM, then you have the amount of ppl you want it for, the design, etc.

SP you'd have how long the level is, how good you are at scripting lengthy events, etc.

also depends on how fast you machine is and how much time you're willing to burn waiting for the map to save and load in Radient, even in MOHAA.

i've never completed an actual level worth playing out (i do exclusive SP levels) so i can't tell you. :roll:

map

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:28 am
by tltrude
For your first one, keep it small--say 2000 - 4000. There are example maps in the docs folder.

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:22 am
by war6402
I am makin them for the server i play on all the time. which is a sh ffa n ft and a bt ffa with 16 or lest people. the one i started is 1152 units high by 2200 units square. is that big enough for my first one. all i wana get in it is a coulple buildings. and after i do that one i want to make a pretty good sized one for the servers admins. any ideas will help

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 1:51 pm
by MasterMind
We should stop naming the subject of the question "Map Size". There are three different questions with the name "Map Size" in this forum, we should change them so people diont get confused :)

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:24 pm
by panTera
In radiant there's the option to see the grid 'blocks', View>show blocks. One block is 1024x1024. For instance mohdm6 fits entirely in 3x4 blocks, but remember that mohdm6 is not one big open space.
Usually you'll need some extra space to make convincing borders like treelines and outer walls, but it's better to expand later on than to start off way too big.

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:12 am
by MasterMind
Thanks for changing the name of the subject :wink:
It should help people from getting confused :D

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:30 am
by war6402
No problemo!! thanx for the help. could someone tell me how big the malta map is? so i know more of a perspective of what im lookin for.

granades

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:38 am
by tltrude
The ideal map has a central "fighting area" with many different paths to get there for both teams. The distance between the spawn points to the center should be the same for both teams--to make it fair. An underground path is always a plus too, and it can also have a central fighting chamber.

You should provide cover for player all around the map, but the spawn points need it the most. One good way to do that is the have the areas walled off and allow only one way traffic over the wall--players can not normally jump higher than 72, but they can use a "buddy boost" to go higher. The spawn areas also need to be protected form snipers.

If your map has ladders, put a "common/playerclip" textured brush at the base of it--just below the ground surface. Doing that, stops "land sharking".

The top of your sky box must be high enough so that granades, thrown from the highest point players can go, do not vanish into the void.

Hope something in all that helps!

Re: granades

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:47 pm
by fuhrer
tltrude wrote:If your map has ladders, put a "common/playerclip" textured brush at the base of it--just below the ground surface. Doing that, stops "land sharking".
nice tip :)

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:04 pm
by lizardkid
one thing i've never found is how do you landshark? when you jump down and grap the ladder at the end that happens is you hop up a few inches and land at the bottom rung.